This is a video posted by IHOP of one of its interns, a young girl named Katie, sharing her testimony about how the Spirit of God manifested in her, and continues to manifest to this day. Watch and discern. What is she saying? What is her body language communicating? How would you test the spirits with someone like Katie and her friend?
Finally, the description for this video speaks for itself: “As a TM (transmeditation) practioner & a Siddha I can concur with what’s happenning here to some of these people. There bodies have experienced a release of kundalini shakti & are to an extent spontanously practcing Hatha Yoga.”
PLEASE be careful about what you allow and believe. The spirit realm is very real, and it is infecting the Church and Body of Christ at an alarming rate in these last days.
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She looks almost incapacitated and in pain at times. She never mentions sin, repentance or Christ as the only way to eternal life. Once she seemed to relax for a second to brush her hair out of her face.
Thank you ! This entire ministry seems to be missing the point with regards to the gospel. All they talk about is prayer, but never the One who made it possible with his suffering, death, and resurrection and our need for grace. I mean, maybe they do, but it seems to me that their highest priority is to promote their way of prayer.
Just my take, this looks like the Kundalini spirit. I’m posting a second video soon on this that shows how this same spirit manifests in the Eastern religions.
I guess this is what happened when the church in the last 7-8 years accepted yoga exercise into the church, calling it Christian yoga???
This is a continuation of our conversation on the FB page
Let’s try an experiment
Let’s take a youtube video… one that you say is questionable or you are uncertain of… Now let’s try to be specific and determine (without undermining the people in the video) what manifestations or teachings you are uncomfortable with. Next, lets keep asking the question “Why?”. Why am I uncomfortable with this… Then we can discuss those specific manifestations before labeling someone as false based on a manifestation. 
So in this case, the question begins with “Why am I uncomfortable with twitching or shaking?”
These precious girls can barely stand up straight or speak clearly. So I have to ask myself as I watch them, “Would the Holy Spirit do this?” If we look in Scripture, we never see accounts of the apostles or other followers acting this way. In fact the only time we really see this kind of manifestation is in those who had demons that Jesus cast out (like the boy in Mark 9:17).
I don’t see scriptural precedent for the manifestations going on with these girls. 1 Corinthians 12-14 describes the way in which God, the Holy Spirit will manifest Himself through the church, but losing control of your body is not one of them. But as the other videos in this article show, those who practice false religions do manifest in these ways.
Let’s start with “Would the Holy Spirit do this”? Why do you think the Holy Spirit cannot do this?
As for your comments about no precedent? Why do you say that if there is no precedent for something in the Bible then it cannot be God? How you you then deal with this verse – “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” (John 21:25, NIV84)
You speak about seeing shaking with demons. Agreed. But.. Why do you believe that if the false do something, the true cannot? How do you respond to Hannah in Scripture who appeared drunk?
Have you read my topic of how to discern? http://ingrid-hansen.info/wpdevotional/2012/01/14/how-to-discern/ because I walk through those questions.
But it seems the key response to my question of WHY is the question of losing control. I am guessing that this is what really disturbs you. So, let’s go a bit deeper with the WHY
Why does it bother you that perhaps God will not permit you to be in control?
One of the fruits of the spirits is Self Control!! This is disturbing, I agree, Jesus heaeld people from the palsy. I have read about the tactics they use on interns, it lines up with those of witchcraft. The church needs to wake up!! Also, every believer I know that went to some revival and got “slain in the spirit” now has emotional and spiritual problems. These things cause confusion, God is a God of order! The spirit edifies and heals and brings holiness. Having people run around in circles, bark like dogs, pass out and and look like lunatics is chaos, not order, not edifying.
Ingrid are you going to listen to the broadcast tomorrow? With Johanna Michaelsen? I have read a book called The Light that was Dark by Warren Smith and A Time of Departing by Ray Yungen. I think they are along the same lines as Johanna Michaelsen. They are why I feel so strongly about these subjects. Not to put myself into you and Amy’s conversation. But I would be curious what you think of the broadcast or one of these books if you read them. Your comments do have me thinking, although I still feel the same….but I am thinking how I react to people..
That is an excellent book, Prudence! I just got off the phone with Johanna, and we talked about this video with Katie and Amy from IHOP. She is going to look at the video and perhaps we will have time to mention it on the show.
Johanna has some great tips and scriptural resources for discerning the spirits.
Prudence
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Considering this is a public forum, feel free to share and to also answer the WHY questions. In my own life, I have found that the question “WHY” asked often enough of ourselves and answered truthfully will eventually expose what it is that we truly believe about God. Asking the “why” question of myself while understanding that I love God’s Word and want God alone has brought great change to my life over many years.
God Bless you Prudence!
Ingrid have you read those books? It would help in understanding why some christians are so careful and not quickly accepting of these practices.
Amy, what time tomorrow will this be broadcast? If I come to this site will there be a link?
I have not read those books, but I have read many books. Some I toss, and some are good. I guess I am trying to keep this discussion on why based on Scripture. If you want to use other’s opinions I could also share books that clearly have the perspective that this is God.
The opinions I hold today are not based on books but on my own study of God’s word.
Have you read my link where I shared how I discern?
I did read your link. I used to accept everything too. I didn’t want to believe my favorite teachers could be wrong, or that I had been wrong all those years. I am not basing my opinion on those books or someone elses opinion. God was showing me red flags before I even knew any of this and that is what started me digging. What the books I listed above showed me was how Satan really does masquerade as an angel of light and try to mimic God. It is truly frightening how easy it is to be deceived, myself included.
Yes Satan does pretend to be light – the Scripture clearly says that, but that does not mean that every manifestation is from Satan.
I choose to discern based on fruit. Satan will not do what drives me closer to God, what keeps me studying the Word more, or praying more. Satan will not do what propels me to preach the Gospel more or become more Holy…..
A simple test is the test of the changed life.
In dealing with manifestations, one thing that comes to mind is:
Does it point to Jesus? If it does not point to Jesus and glorify Him, then what is it accomplishing? When I see someone hardly able to speak or stand while trying to deliver a message, I see this as bringing attention to themselves. I’m not trying to be critical…I don’t believe that in most cases the people involved are doing anything intentionally to draw attention to themselves, but they are getting attention none the less.
Secondly if something is questionable (other believers are uncomfortable), I personally would rather err on the side of caution. I feel that often times unknowingly we can give the enemy a foothold….so when I feel that “caution” flag go up in my spirit and just feel that something is wrong, I tend to run in the opposite direction and then I ask the Lord to show me if I have erred. Just my thoughts……
@Jenny Your opinion is ok.
You do not need to pursue this. But if you condemn it, then it must be from Scripture which is why I am asking the why questions.
I agree with pointing to Jesus, but that you will not know until you ask the person who had the experience what happened in their life and watch if they are growing in the Lord. Did you read my link on how to discern? I walk through a series of questions I ask to understand if something is God or not.
You are welcome to yield to caution for your life, but that does not mean that those who have spiritual manifestations are not having them from God.
I believe that I should not condemn what I do not understand. We must seek to understand. We condemn what is clearly understood to be evil and embrace what is clearly understood to be good. We seek God for a clear understanding.
God is not the author of confusion and I believe as stated in James 1 that if we truly want to know something, God will reveal the answer to us.
Just as I need to not discount the spirit and the workings of the spirit (some gravitate in this direction), neither do I believe we should believe something we’ve experienced because it brought us feelings of joy and peace. Or because trusted teachers in our lives are promoting it.
My challenge for all of us is to truly get on our faces before God to ask Him to conform us to His image and give us wisdom. Proverbs is filled with passages speaking about wisdom and how we should seek it.
If anyone did not listen to Johanna’s message today, please consider doing so.
Confusion in our minds is a lack of understanding. However in 1 Cor 14:33 which you paraphrase, the Greek Word used speaks of “to rise up in open defiance of authority, with the presumed intention to overthrow it or to act in complete opposition to its demands—‘to rebel against, to revolt, to engage in insurrection, rebellion.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (495). New York: United Bible Societies.”
The Greek Word is also used in these verses –
“in beatings, imprisonments and riots; in hard work, sleepless nights and hunger;” (2 Corinthians 6:5, NIV84)
“When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”” (Luke 21:9, NIV84)
God is not the author of rebellion against the authority he has implemented in the church or the instructions he has given the church.
Our modern understanding of confusion is lack of understanding and we take this verse to mean that if I don’t understand it, God cannot be it. However God expects that there will be many things we do not understands and counsels us many times to seek wisdom.
“If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.” (James 1:5–8, NIV84)
I also wrote a little more about confusion here — http://ingrid-hansen.info/wpdevotional/2012/01/19/what-to-do-when-we-are-confused/ in response to your question.
Have you ever noticed that when Jesus healed people and drove out demons that the healed were raised up? Jesus often took them by the hand and RAISED them up. By contrast, the demons would throw them down, throw them into the fire or cause them to fall. (Mark 2:11-12; Mark 5:6-20; Mark 9:17-27; John 5:6-9)
When Jesus healed people or brought them back to life, they were given back their humanity. Jesus Christ gave back to them their very lives. He treated them with dignity and kindness. When Jesus healed people, then they were clothed and in their right mind. Jesus lifted them up, restoring them both spiritually and physically. (Mark 5:41-42; Mark 5:15; Luke 7:14-15)
Whenever Jesus Christ healed folks, they were normal -no longer were they writhing on the ground, or frothing at the mouth, or twitching, or convulsing, incapacitated, or running wild. Instead they were sitting/standing up, normal, clothed and calm. (Mark 5:15; Mark 9:27)
The Apostle Peter also does this in Acts 3:1-10. He helps a man up when he heals him. The man is filled with joy, walking, jumping and praising God.
Compare all of this with what you see in the video. When Jesus brings His true spiritual manifestations they are accompanied by life, health, normalcy and dignity for people. Do not be deceived.
Amen to that, Julie.
About ‘raising up’ people who are healed, I have seen many people miraculously healed in confirmation of the gospel of Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected…who fell down! I sometimes wonder when I read people criticizing supernatural phenomena, would they know a miracle if it hit them in the head? Have they seen blind eyes opened, deaf ears suddenly begin to hear, the crippled leap and run, cancers disappear…all in the name of Jesus? I know these people of whom I write were healed because I was there; I was blessed to be preaching Jesus and God confirmed His Word with signs following. And guess what? Many of them…fell down when they received their healing. Are you going to tell God He can’t heal people when they fall down, or when they shake? That there’s only one right way to do it, by golly? No – the Word of God is ALIVE, not a dead letter in which “this is what happened in Bible days and this is the only way it happens today.” God can heal people if they stand without flinching or if they do cartwheels and stand on their heads – it doesn’t matter as long as it doesn’t contradict scripture. “Man looks on the outward appearance; God looks on the heart.”
Yes, there are ‘lying signs and wonders’, yes there are carnal expressions of emotion. But my observation after years of ministry of the gospel is that the people who are most critical of manifestations of the supernatural, who present themselves as the ‘experts’, are often the people who frankly don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to the supernatural. They might write books on the Holy Spirit, but they don’t know Him. To them, I say, repent, cast off unbelief, and get around where Jesus is being preached and He is doing the things He did in Bible days, only now He’s doing them through people. Read the Word hungrily, like it’s the first time. Apply yourself to believing and then acting on what God says in the Bible. Go out on a limb. Get passionate for God. Wake up!
FYI, I’m not a fan of IHOP for various reasons. But when you’re critical of how people engage with God when it’s clear they’re responding to the good news of Jesus Christ – what spirit are you of?
What does the Word teach us concerning this subject; that should be what you guys are asking but I don’t see that from any of you actually did that here. Jenny came close but where’s the scripture?
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4-2 & 3
Discernment of the Spirit is a gift of the Spirit and there is no lessons to learn on how to discern the spirit.
I do think you all need to be careful of what you “discern” about anyone. You also can be in danger of calling that which is of God, of Satan which is what the Scribes and Pharasees accused of Jesus of being.
The Holy Spirit judges all things, but we should leave it up to the Holy Spirit and just because something is unfamiliar with you doesn’t mean it isn’t from God.
As someone who came from a Pentecostal background, I know a lot of people who would call the manifestation of the Holy Spirit through the nine Spiritual gifts to be of the Devil. I’m here to say that the Pentecostal doctrine is scriptural in every sense as Paul talked about the gifts of the Spirit in detail.
Sadly the gifts are rarely if ever are practiced in accordance with God’s word to this end.
1 Corinthians 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him . 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together , having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked : 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer , all the members suffer with it ; or one member be honoured , all the members rejoice with it.
Holding fast to
1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned , and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Charity suffereth long , and is kind ; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself , is not puffed up , 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly , seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked , thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Charity never faileth:
It has been my experince with the pentecostals that they would boast in their gifts and exalt themselves thinking of themselves higher than they aught. They would think less of someone who doesn’t have their gift. This points to a lack of understanding of the Body of Christ and the operation of the Holy Spirit.
Mr. Davis,
I would tend to agree with you. Though I do believe the gifts should be practiced in the Church, The gifts are given to the Church, not just Pentecostals.
Along with that, some Pentecostals put too much emphasis on the tongues and not on the other gifts, which should be just as prominently used as the tongues.
I actually follow the Charismatic movement which also believes in and practices the gifts. The Late Kenneth E. Hagen inspires my beliefs.
Maybe it would be constructive to think of Katie’s ‘manifestations’ as a human response to the working of the Holy Spirit in her. Such unusual expressions accompanied many great revivals in history. Is it the Holy Spirit? Not strictly. What we see is a young woman who is reacting physically, emotionally, and spiritually to the revelation of the reality of God, which comports with what she’s saying. It’s the Holy Spirit at work in a human vessel. More Christians should have such revelations.
If you listen to her talk, she describes her experience with God, her response to being asked to speak to her church (a rather significant event in the life of a young person, or anyone for that matter), and her realizing that God is jealous for us, that He desires uncompromising love from us, and so on. What’s unscriptural about this? Do we demand that she say the words “sin” and “Jesus” and “the cross” at least once in every sentence for her description of her experience to pass muster in our eyes? Concerning false prophets, Jesus said, “You shall know them by their fruits.” The fruit I perceived in the video, according to what she said, was that of a changed life. I pray God continues to work in her life and that she has great success in Him.
Some of this “truth-finding”, which in some instances focuses on gnats while swallowing camels, puts me in mind of Jesus’ words to the church at Ephesus in Revelations 2:1-4 – zealously ferreting out error while losing sight of love for God. The Pharisees also had this problem. Love for God is not a cold, calculated, emotionless exercise that some Christians would have us believe and that many churches demonstrate. Love for God engages our souls – which includes our emotions – and our bodies, our minds, and all our strength. So if you see someone acting a little ‘soulish’ in their expression of love for and awe of God, give them a break. Heartfelt love, especially combined with revelation of God, can cause people to be passionate and do unusual things. Just look at Jesus.