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Amy is co-host and blogger for both Stand Up for the Truth and Naomi's Table, two ministries that give her the opportunity to write and talk about Jesus all day long. She has written, produced and broadcast in the realm of television and radio news, magazine business journals and marketing materials. She continues her freelance work as a writer and social media consultant.

Is IHOP a cult? One intern’s story

We’ve been reporting about and warning of the dangerous teaching of Mike Bickle’s spiritual influence over young vulnerable students, many of whom are willing to give up everything just to come live at his campus at IHOP (International House of Prayer) in Kansas City.

Two of our most requested resources:

This is a video posted by IHOP of one of its interns, a young girl named Katie, sharing her testimony about how the Spirit of God manifested in her, and continues to manifest to this day. Watch and discern. What is she saying? What is her body language communicating? How would you test the spirits with someone like Katie and her friend?

In this video, these involuntary “Kriyas,” or jerking movements happen when the Kundalini is awakened. Those who practice Yoga or have spirit guides say they welcome these movements as a sign of greater spirituality. In many Christian Word of Faith teachings, this would be referred to falsely as the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

Finally, the description for this video speaks for itself: “As a TM (transmeditation) practioner & a Siddha I can concur with what’s happenning here to some of these people. There bodies have experienced a release of kundalini shakti & are to an extent spontanously practcing Hatha Yoga.”

PLEASE be careful about what you allow and believe. The spirit realm is very real, and it is infecting the Church and Body of Christ at an alarming rate in these last days.

Ariel’s Testimony

Now we have more testimony of the strange happenings. This personal story is very important. It was shared by a young woman named Ariel, who spent time as an intern at IHOP.  It is reprinted here in its entirety, along with some signs to look for if you are concerned that someone you love may be involved with a cult. (Need more background in IHOP? Check out the related articles after Ariel’s story):

It was the year I turned 23.I was bright-eyed, excited and full of hope & anticipation.Sure, I’d been through some rough stuff, but I knew that the Lordwas the keeper of my life and I was heading into a new season of trusting Him deeper.

I was moving to Kansas City! My long-awaited (14 years) dream of being in Kansas City to be a part of Mike Bickle’s ministry which had now branched into an International House of Prayer was finally materializing into reality. I had big hopes and dreams and wanted nothing but to serve my God with everything.

Since I was 12 years old, my family and I had driven the 3 hour trek to Kansas City for conferences at the church Mike Bickle pastored at the time (It is known by various names as they changed at different stages: Kansas City Fellowship, Metro Vineyard Fellowship & Metro Christian Fellowship). My spiritual roots had, in many ways, grown from the times that I spent in these gatherings and what I felt God imparted to my life while I was there. I had been around…marinating in the environment for about 14 years; so I knew a lot about the history that led up to what is now known as IHOP (the International House of Prayer). I remember one of the first times Mike shared his vision for starting IHOP. Many left Metro with Mike when he stepped down as senior pastor to help support it’s start-up.

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So fast forward…IHOP was still within its first 5 years of operation and I was captivated by what I saw and heard. If there was a “poster child” that endorsed IHOP and who was convinced it was the best thing going, that would have been me. I say all of this to lay a back drop for what follows.

A long journey and a lot of waiting preceded the decision to move to Kansas City. My family and I unanimously agreed that after much prayer, it was the right timing so we sold or gave away half of what we owned, packed up the rest and moved to the Utopia of what we thought would be the greatest spiritual adventure of our lives. I had a background in the arts…music, dance, etc and couldn’t wait to get involved so I could really feel like I belonged there…not just a visitor hanging in the periphery and coming for conferences. I wanted to get “in”.

When we arrived on moving day, the “community” we were hoping to be a part of and the support of those we knew from IHOP appeared to be quite lacking. We were told that to obtain moving help from IHOP, we had to hire them at a ridiculous hourly rate ($20/per person, per hour) which we could not afford. When the neighbors who lived next door found out that it was just us and we had NO help moving in, their family came over and helped us unpack our moving truck for approximately the next 3 hours–for no charge–just to be good neighbors. Oh…and did I mention they weren’t even believers? They had compassion on our predicament and carried boxes and hauled furniture without complaining once. They simply smiled and said “welcome to the neighborhood”.

The un-relational climate we had seen hints of in the past became rapidly obvious upon our relocation to IHOP-KC. There was a lot of talk about “community” but everyone I met was so tunnel visioned on “always being in the prayer room” that they didn’t want to socialize or make time to build real relationships with people. There was a relational vacuum and the disconnect I felt upon my arrival was overwhelming. This was a significant concern of mine and my family but we rationalized it away with “oh, we just haven’t been here long enough. Eventually, we’ll feel more connected and involved and we’ll see the relational community that IHOP advertises here. Just give it time.”

Within a month, I joined the One Thing internship (which is an intensive 6-month long internship program for 18-25 year olds). I had really felt it was what I should do and had the support of my family that this was a great thing for me. They also felt it was a great way for me to connect to the ministry we had all moved here to be a part of. So our family’s income tax return went toward the steep $4,500 tuition fee for the program and I came on board in August. I was full of excitement and felt that things were finally coming together for me. At least that’s how it appeared.

This is where it all began for me….

A cult? Strong word you might say…and you are correct. It is not a word I use lightly or carelessly to label anything. But much prayer, time and years of research and personal experience have brought me to the conclusion that I can say confidently that the root system–or foundation–that IHOP is built on follows the basic premises and signs of a cult religious group. When I first left IHOP, I went through a severe culture shock that is hard to put into words. When I began studying the signs of cult fallout and the things that cult members go through after leaving a cult, my eyes began to open to what I had been a part of and recently come out of.

Below I have listed some common signs of cult operation.  Below them I cite in underlined text short examples of my personal experiences as IHOP which illustrates these particular signs in IHOP’s day to day practice.  After 6 years of being out of IHOP I still hold to my position that it is a dangerous place for people’s hearts and I have seen much destruction of families, relationships and marriages of those who have been involved with this movement.

I appreciate your taking the time to read and prayerfully consider the research and personal testimony I have included below.

1. A destructive cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of its members’ behavior. Cults are likely to dictate in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

As an intern at IHOP, our day to day lives were closely monitored and dictated. I was not allowed to go anywhere or leave IHOP premises without express verbal permission from a community leader except on our one day off. Our schedules started early in the morning with hours in the prayer room, then classes, then back to the prayer room. Our nights often ran late with required attendance at EGS (Encounter God Services) or any other special event Mike spoke at that we were required to attend. Sometimes we had to attend worship sets that ended at 10 pm or midnight. Sleep was minimal and was often un-restful when I did get it. Sleep deprivation is a commonly used tactic in many cult groups to weaken the mind and make a person more susceptible to the embracing of the doctrines taught by that cult. There are many biological and psychological effects of sleep deprivation on the mind.

2. A destructive cult tends to have an ethical double standard. Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully follow cult rules. They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, honorable groups teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.

Anyone who rebelled against IHOP’s rules went through a strict disciplinarian process. At its most minimal level of discipline, for an intern, this meant the loss of having a day off and having to do manual labor. Everyone was kept on a short leash. We also had weekly groups as interns that we were required to participate in where everyone was“interrogated” and pressured to open up and share their personal struggles, etc and answer personal questions about their lives, struggles, thoughts, fears, and walks with G-d. It often felt like going to some kind of confession (as in Catholocism) and some interns out and out refused to be so vulnerable and disclosing in front of people they did not know. We were all given journals and told that we had mandatory writing assignments to complete. We were to record details of our IHOP prayer room times, things God spoke to us, dreams, visions, or whatever else that happened in us spiritually and then had to turn in our journals weekly to have an internship leader review/read them. In the last month or so I was at IHOP I paid particularly close attention to the fact that internship leaders ironically prayed things over me in prayer times or at the altar in the prayer room that related directly to things I had put in my journals. So what often might have seemed prophetic was the result of the information about me they already had access to.

3. A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising.Altruistic movements, established religions, and other honorable groups also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group’s main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult’s real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

There were always an underlying pressure to bring people into IHOP. We were encouraged to invite others and get them to join what we were doing. IHOP campaigns big time to recruit new interns. At every conference, advertising and marketing videos are used to this day to promote the internships. They are played on large TV screens like presidential campaigns and are just part of the propaganda used to “sell” young people on this new version of what walking with God is supposed to look like.

Each intern paid $4,500 to attend a 6 month internship. This covered some books/teaching material we were given as well as food, lodging etc. Check this out though: Every intern lived in the Hernhutt apartments (located next door) which IHOP owned anyway so the only expense was utilities and general upkeep. There was no rent. Plus when there was a mandatory fasting day, weekend, week, etc. no meals were served. So those who didn’t choose to fast had to go out and buy food and no interns were not allowed to have jobs so this got to be a big expense since there wasn’t extra money to live on.

I lived in a 2-bedroom apartment. It housed 6 girls from the ages of 20-23. 4 of us shared one room and 2 shared another. The prayer room costs nothing to attend and is free and open to the public. So hmmm….$4,500 for meals, my electric bill and some IHOP books. I currently live in my own apartment, pay all of my own bills including rent, food, gasoline, renter’s insurance, credit card bills, student loans, electric, cell phone, etc etc and ALL of that costs me approximately $1,500 a month. So basic math says that someone was getting a big paycheck because my expenses would have never cost that in an internship program where we were given so little.

4. A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life’s problems or the world’s ills. But these claims are empty and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to mind control to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.

In the time I was there Mike often used “them and us” types of statements when referring to “the church” or those outside of IHOP. We were given a sense of being on the “cutting edge” because we were ahead of the church and were doing something new & innovative that was going to sweep the world. It all sounded good so everyone wanted to be in on it as a “forerunner” and liked the label of being on the front lines. So no one dared questioned it.

5. A destructive cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader’s wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

Our family became friends with a Jewish couple who were in KC for a conference. They were part of an orthodox Jewish congregation in Israel and were missionaries in the US. They had some grave concerns and red flags (regarding IHOP’s theology, the model that is used with everything IHOP related, etc) that they attempted to meet with Mike and discuss. After being brushed off by Mike multiple times in his refusal to meet with him…even though they were Jewish leaders from Israel and Mike knew of them, he finally told these friends of ours that “This is how we do things here. This is just how IHOP is. It’s not for everyone.” If there was something you didn’t like or didn’t agree with, you were basically told “IHOP wasn’t for everyone so if you couldn’t handle it, maybe you shouldn’t be here.” There was no actual accountability for anything deemed wrong/un-Biblical. We were told that IHOP has its own “culture” and you must assimilate into that culture and language to really understand it. If you had a problem with something, you were told that you just had not been around long enough to understand how they did things OR that you just weren’t a good fit. These were the answers I was given when I met with internship leaders right before leaving. There was never actual admittance of wrong doing or hurting anyone who was caught in the crossfire.

6. A destructive cult’s leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them from impending doom.

Every intern was required to listen to the 12 hours of IHOP’s recorded history on CD footage. Much of this content was heavily edited before its publication. These tapes told of “prophetic words” and signs that were given to some of Mike’s mentors (Bob Jones, Paul Cain, etc)—who were all naming him as the leader of the next “big thing” God was doing. Over and over and over again I’ve heard it said (both directly by Mike as well as from others) that he (Mike) would be the leader of a movement that “changed the nature and expression of Christianity in the earth”. Every time, all recognition points to Mike. His “mission” to transform the church and capture the hearts of America’s youth has been his declared goal since the early 1980’s. One of the major dangers is that these grandious sounding claims and “prophetic” words are laden with flattery, narcissism, elitism and are a perfect guise under which anything Mike introduces through IHOP can fall under the heading of being a “new thing” God is doing.

This elitist teaching puts Mike on a pedestal and he has a Messianic-like devoted following of people who would do anything if he told them to without a moment of questioning or hesitation. From my observations and experiences on staff, IHOP members do not think for themselves or question Mike’s interpretation of scripture or the slant in the way he teaches it. At any conference, one will easily observe that if Mike recommends a book or promotes a teaching, a t-shirt or a speaker, at the next break, ALL of that item will be sold out in their bookstore. When I was on staff, I heard people continually sing Mike’s praises around the clock and quote more of what Mike says or thinks or teaches than actual scripture.

Mike has an alluring charisma and many seem to be instantly drawn to his convincing appearance of direction and purpose. He teaches with passion and emotion rather than truth and it’s that charisma that draws and hooks people causing many to blindly follow (and defend) his message.

I believe that the IHOP lifestyle by and large sets people up for disillusionment through the false hope that its deception provides. It is a pseudo, manufactured reality where people are told “you can live in Nirvana and enjoy the ‘high’ of being in God’s presence 24/7 and that can be ALL that you live for” so people sell all that they have, buy into a dream and move across the country to be a part of a ministry that makes captivating claims…and then their world often crumble to ashes when things aren’t as they seem once they arrive.

Mike’s primary target and focus is on the young people. His appeals from the pulpit and his well-polished speeches aim at capturing the hearts of America’s youth. Children and youth are not told or encouraged to respect or honor the parents G-d gave them. Instead, wedges are driven between families and a seed of pride, rebellion and elitism gets planted into the hearts of youth when they are told things like the following…

This is a very close paraphrase of what I’ve heard many, many times at One Thing, IHOP conferences and in teachings by leaders:

“YOU are called to be on the cutting edge. Come here and join a community of other people who are like you, called to what you’re called to. We understand you. You’ve been mis-understood in the church. You’ve had your wings clipped, your gifts misunderstood. Here you can fulfill your forerunner calling that your family just hasn’t understood about you. You might feel like you don’t fit back home, you’re on the outside, no one understands the fire in you. Well we get it. Youare the leaders that G-d is raising up in these end times and you will be kings and queens on the earth—reigning with Him. You were made for this place. IHOP is an incubator for people like you.”

Narcissistic speeches like this instill a sense of pride, arrogance and elitism in the hearts of youth who hear it and it feeds their need for validation and identity. They run to IHOP, leave their families, join internships…hoping that what they’ve heard is true. They go to IHOP looking for identity…instead of finding it in Jesus.

Once outside of the IHOP environment, they are terrified and overwhelmed by the “real” world and don’t know how to function in it when they’ve been in an intensive internship environment. There is a degree of re-acclimating to normal life that feels like an IHOP detox afterward. It’s a severe emotional drop because the hyped up services and conferences that were your manna are now gone and when there is no prayer room, your life in God feels empty and lifeless. Many simply don’t know how to engage with God in a real day-to-day basis once they’ve left. I experienced this and heard the exact same thing from a handful of my friends after they left IHOP and the internship. At that point when disillusionment sets in, I know many interns that walked away from God completely upon leaving the internship and went back into lifestyles worse than the ones they left when they came to IHOP originally.

7. A destructive cult’s leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself.Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves.

I believe my statements above illustrate this so I won’t be redundant.

8. A destructive cult’s leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult. The leader then takes control over followers’ possessions, money, time, and lives.

Youth are pumped up at conferences and then go home to tell their parents they are moving to Kansas City to join IHOP, be part of an internship, etc. At the time, sadly, they don’t realize how much more they are giving up and leaving behind than just their families. I was hurled into a system that took control of my time, when I ate, slept, had time alone, etc. Picking up the pieces of my heart and rebuilding a Biblical view of God after getting outside of IHOP was quite a long process. I hope that by sharing all of this, I am able to spare others the heartache of what I went through.

You may or may not have been in a cult-like environment but here are some potential signs to watch for in safe/unsafe group leaders.

“I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. Therefore be as wise and cunning as snakes but innocent as doves.” –Matthew 10:16

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Research by Rick Ross,Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

8. Followers feel they can never be “good enough”.

9. The group/leader is always right.10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

 

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower’s mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused–as that person’s involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as “persecution”.

4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Please don’t just take my word for it. Start doing your own research. Ask the Father to lead you as you pursue what is TRUTH. Don’t just stop at the facts–look deeper. Do Google searches on cults and ask the Lord to unveil deceptions.

Blessings to you on your journey of walking with Him.

 

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131 Responses to “Is IHOP a cult? One intern’s story”

  1. Prudence #

    Do the folks at IHOP go out and preach the gospel to the lost?

    April 13, 2012 at 1:51 AM
    • Lily #

      HI, I am very fascinated by thios article, and can honestly somewhat relate to her thoughts from attending confrences and summer camps throughout hihg school at IHOP. to answer your question, from what Ive experienced, there is hardly, if any evangelism. At one of the Awakening Teen Camps I attended, there was a group that you could join as an elective for preaching, and going on evangelistic excursions, however, we never once went out and put this to use. If these people are so "pumped up on God", wouldnt they want to share it?

      April 13, 2012 at 6:48 PM
    • lynne #

      How can you preach what you fail to practice? From the start, failing to help members move unless they paid 20/hour/person they could not afford…when even 'non Believers' followed the Golden Rule, should have sent them running back away from them. So…how can folks as such 'preach' a Gospel they don't practice or seem to even know?

      February 8, 2014 at 2:11 AM
  2. Rose #

    The last list of " Ten Warning Signs Regarding People Involved In/with A Potentially Unsafe Group/Leader" strongly reflects one of a church right here in the Valley. The congregants that are blinded see this leader as their all in all and his authority can't be challenged by anyone. He is essentially accountable to no one because he can never be removed from his position. People who question his authority are labeled as rebels! If you recognize this in your church … RUN!!! God be with you!

    April 13, 2012 at 5:59 AM
  3. Really appreciated this insight about IHOP. Acquaintances of our joined the group and gradually disassociated themselves from the "normal" church life altogether, and ending up living off the financial help of family and friends. Little or no ethical accountability. I experienced a related spiritual issue some years ago about the "Absalom" spirit that seems akin to the issue you raised here Amy.

    See http://www.issacharministry.org.au/teachings/iden

    I am new as a subscriber to "Stand up for Truth" and am greatly enriched by the insights. Blessings and grace in Jesus.

    Peter McArthur, Australia

    May 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM
  4. Charity #

    Thanks for this info. It is very concerning

    July 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM
  5. Kay #

    So she prayed to the Lord that she was suppose to Go….and He told her to Go…..and she prayed to the Lord that it was cult…so it was a cult? Slight contriction. I know of numerous people that have been there or are there now. I've never heard of a moving fee. Ever. Out of the thousands of people that see the ministry as a blessing around the world, there's always the few that didnt get what they want out of the ministry and now they want to destroy it. She shouldn't have been trying to go there trying to seek "utopia" or have the "greatest spiritual adventure". Utopia doesn't exist on earth. That's an unbiblical mindset to begin with. This was a personal dissatisfaction. She should have been trying to find all of this in GOD! Not in man and not in a ministry! Of course it would destroy her, she had Mike Bickle & IHOP as an IDOL in her life! Pay attention to what she is saying people! This would be Mike Bickles response …… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oR33LYFeUM&fe

    August 6, 2012 at 2:28 AM
    • Hi Kay, we've played this before too on our Facebook page. Thanks for sharing it here! It is always good to go to the source as we try to do.
      Unfortunately there are a lot more concerns about IHOP than just this story. I encourage you to click on the links of related stories in this post, and invite you to share your thoughts with me about the research that others have done to lay out the many different concerns about this ministry and its roots.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:43 AM
      • Kay #

        Amy i'm glad you are creating some sort of balance by sharing both sides….and I would hope you are sharing other stories of people speaking of the ministries benefits instead of creating some sort of propoganda. I'm not trying to sound harsh, but I believe if we would spend as much time sharing the Truth of the Gospel instead of trying to Cause division in "uncertainty and speculation" more people would be able to discern truth! Our job is to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If this is what you do, I would urge you to go visit Kansas City for a few days and create your thoughts behind that..because form blogs behind hurt people isn't beneficial at all. You can go to "any" ministry and find people that were hurt by the church because they didn't get what they want or think it was what it should have been . That is so obvious in this and again, they should have never ever had mike buckle and IHOP as an IDOL in their life in the first place. That's obvious in this. They went into this thing exalting this ministry before Jesus. You will always be set up for failure if that's the case.

        August 6, 2012 at 4:48 AM
        • I completely agree with you comment Kay.
          I have been to many churches and they had cult type signs, but it was the members looking to the pastor or leader and then letting themselves be condemned or intimidated not by the congregation or the pastor but by the enemy which is Satan. He accuses us day and night. He puts thought in our kinds which we must cast down as the Bible instructs. Maybe anyone who has a bad experience at IHOP needs to get on their knees and see where the problem is coming from. Satan does not want Christians to grow or mature as they have a larger impact on the world around them. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers in the heavenlies.

          Blessings RaymondTheBrave

          October 4, 2012 at 1:44 AM
    • Gary Brown #

      Kay, you are right in this. If you read Ariel's testimony carefully, the worst of IHOP's problems were mainly negative interpretations of otherwise pretty benign situations. For example, Ariel complains alot about the $4500 charge for SIX MONTHS of a program that included room & board! Yet, she tried to make that seem excessive. That should be an indicator of how out of touch she is to the expenses of running a ministry which MUST not only pay its bills but have some funds left over for expansion.

      The intensive time commitment was another example. It's great that the program was packed with activities and expectations. What was she there for – a vacation? It tells me that IHOP was very serious about wanting to make the time as valuable as possible for training and ministry.

      Most of what she wrote negative interpretation and innuendo. And it is completely out of character with what thousands of others say about IHOP. IHOP has a GREAT reputation among Christian leaders across the nation and all of Mike Bickle's teachings are online for anyone to evaluate. They have done and are continuing to do great work for the Kingdom.

      It sounds like Ariel herself was expecting heaven on earth and she was dissolutioned when she discovered that the leaders of IHOP have their treasure in vessels of clay. (II Cor. 4:7) Welcome to exactly what scripture says about all of us! No program is perfect, no leader is perfect but IHOP has done an incredible job discipling people and there are thousands who will directly contradict what Ariel has written about IHOP.

      I know alot about false ministries – the Copeland's, the Hagin's, the HInn's, etc. I graduated from Oral Roberts University, for goodness sake! But I've also seen a lot of genuine ministries that are making a major impact for Christ and every single one of them have attackers who take everything out of context and seek to exaggerate every shortcoming. Ariel's testimony about IHOP reads like one of those.

      March 26, 2013 at 5:52 AM
  6. Mac #

    Here's the problem with IHOP supporter's premise… that IHOP is full of CHRISTIANS and are following the One True God and Jesus Christ whom he sent!!! But they aren't…they are basically deceived, narcissistic personalities following a narcissistic leader and are subdued with some spirit, but it isn't the Spirit of God!!! It isn't about division, it's about TRUTH!!! And I love the folks who can't "explain" why it isn't a cult; that you just have to go there and "experience" it…and get sucked into the emotional whirlwind and have your brain washed with the hypnotically orchestrated 24/7 prayer room. There are powers and principalities at work…AT IHOP, not TO IHOP!!!

    December 14, 2012 at 7:23 AM
  7. Wendy #

    Oh goodness, not one of her examples is anything like a real cult. Real cults…aren't something you just walk away from anytime you don't like it. Real authoritarianism in cult fashion doesn't give you a few chores to do on your day off if you break the rules, they drastic horrible stuff. There is evangelism and out reach all over the city because of IHOP, and all over the world! yes it's extreme, but if they were a cult do,you think they would openly announce to the world that they know they are extreme? Mike is a great teacher but he shares the teaching with others, name ONE just one cult in the world where the cult leader is NOT THE CEO one cult that shares the teaching? Mike is not the CEO of IHOP. There are also houses of prayer all around the world that he has no influence on or control over and he rejoices in their success. Calling it a cult is a ridiculous stretch! There are over a thousand staff at IHOP and you want mike to stop what he is doing to hear some guy complain? Try and get your Jewish friend an appointment with Donald Trump! I'm sorry that this family did not want the sermon on the mount lifestyle. The thing is some people don't want to be told that Christianity is not a do whatever you feel like adventure. Don't move to KC to get your needs met but go,there to help and serve and you will be less disappointed. It is about obeying the one who has the right to tell us what to do, Jesus. Of course there will be many who walk away sad as the rich young ruler did when Jesus challenged him at something difficult. Jesus will challenge us to the core. Jesus said dont put your hand to the plow and turn back. If others are reading this, join me in prayer for this family and others.

    January 2, 2013 at 2:07 PM
    • Lynne #

      Not correct…most cults (i.e Jehovah Wittness, Mormons, etc) you can walk away from after deliverance & esp if you desire truth & God vs. the idol of the cult…however it is not easy. Even Jim Jones cult began like what you claim 'real cults' do not do as in the few chores stuff etc. In fact, the IHOP cult is worst than the JW or Mormons based on the fact that they are suppose to be filled with people who have heard the true Gospel at 1point in time at least. Wake up…we are accountable.

      February 8, 2014 at 2:24 AM
  8. Lee #

    Wendy -thanks for your points. Very well made. If IHOP is a cult then we are in big trouble because the night and day prayer model is biblical and sprouting up all over the world at a rapid rate. IHOP is interested in 'One Thing' -exalting Jesus and drawing all men to Jesus. They are extremely radical and focused and look so different to the majority that it probably does look odd to onlookers. Legalistic and controlling have been used to describe IHOP and how it (they) operate.
    I have been there and totally disagree -they are nothing like a cult. They are strong in what they believe and will not budge – Jesus first place!

    January 6, 2013 at 4:05 AM
  9. K #

    Hey guys I understand your concerns, and appreciate you being watchful for people that are deceptive, but I've been to IHOP and been in IHOPU personally I know some of the things they do/teach can be confusing, but it usually can be explained, their doctrine is very sound and Biblical.

    Can I encourage you to go to their website for information instead of taking opinions and potentially spreading gossip? It's always best to go to the source.
    Here's their statement of faith.
    http://www.ihopkc.org/about/statement-of-faith/

    January 14, 2013 at 8:03 AM
    • autonomy #

      Their statement of faith doesn't mean anything. In fact, they do not believe in a penal substitutionary atonement and 99% of leadership there doesn't even understand what penal substitution is. They actually use John Stott’s book in their excellence of Christ class. The book is extremely biblical but they deny its content and it is manifested in the preaching and proclamation of the gospel. Sure they post their statement of faith and it is orthodox, but ask them a few questions and scratch below the surface and you will find a totally different story. They stand fundamentally opposed to the doctrine of the Moravians, John Huss and many of the other great reformers of church history. They are great at fancy rhetoric and hip catch phrases that make people believe they are passionate and focused on Jesus but when you see through the rhetoric you discover that Christ is missing.

      January 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM
  10. Christina #

    IHOP is a cult. I came out of it, it was terrifying, it drove me insane for a while and almost killed me. What is going on there, is no joke. I'm not kidding, lying, or crazy. Stay the hell away from IHOP.

    January 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM
    • coveralls #

      I find from reading this article and yr comment that some people go to have all their needs met. They don't take responsibility for their own lives and have unrealistic expectations from pastors and leaders. It's this infantile stage of thinking that causes problems. I see a whole lot of "I felt" which isn't Biblical. If you don't "know" then you are operating out of a soulish realm. P

      February 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM
  11. SL #

    Although the writer documents some excesses in IHOP's ministry, her case for IHOP being a cult based on the eight criteria she laid out is unconvincing at best. I'm not involved in IHOP, not particularly a fan of them, but I am a committed Christian who has been around the block a few times and can offer a critique of her claims from a relatively unbiased standpoint. I answer her claims in the order she listed them.

    1) The "internship" program involves a sizable number of energetic young men and women away from familiar settings. From my experience with university teaching (and work with teenagers), I would hope that there's a lot of structure and not a lot of free time, especially in a program designed to quickly get people from a variety of backgrounds to focus on the Lord. Of course there are expectations of behavior – to get accepted for a spot there, she presumably had to demonstrate that she was serious about God. The program is intended to be an immersion, and that's what she got. Her documentation of 'totalitarian control' of people falls way short of what actual cults practice.

    2) She presents no evidence of a double standard, nullifying this claim.

    3) the 'recruitment' of new members is intrinsic to evangelical Christianity, and is not unique to IHOP. Also, her claim that the internship's 6-month's $4500 cost was excessive is not supported by the facts she presented – she got room and board as well as teaching materials at a cost of $750/month. Not bad, I'd say. The apartments, while owned by IHOP, aren't free – presumably they have a mortgage, taxes, and maintenance to pay for. (Of course, the thought that an internship nowadays is not only non-salaried but is something you'd actually pay for is another story – they should call it something else)

    4) The 'superiority' mentality is, again, commonplace among many groups of people. It only becomes problematic when used to induce or reinforce paranoia (e.g., "they're persecuting us (or "the devil is battling us") because we have the truth") and to manipulate people into not leaving. I've seen situations where this has happened, but her evidence for it at IHOP is thin.

    5) Her story of the alleged brushoff of the Jewish visitors as an example of "authoritarian power structure" is unconvincing. Another person commented on this already. It's not clear what she was looking for with regard to evidence of accountability or acknowledgment of wrongdoing; does she know if they're accountable to an oversight board or not?

    6) The elitism charge, to me, rings true. This is common in this kind of ministry, though, and again doesn't necessarily indicate IHOP is a cult. Also, recruitment of young people is a logical strategy if the organization is thinking long-term: young people have relatively few attachments or responsibilities, and are at a formative time with regard to their career and lifestyle choices. But these are young adults, not teenagers, and presumably they are responsible for making informed choices. No evidence of 'mind control' or other undue pressure to adhere to IHOP's agenda is presented. I do agree that some sort of 're-acclimation' should be emphasized by IHOP toward the end of the 6-month program.

    7) Repeat of #6

    8) No new information is presented. Again, if IHOP is a cult, the writer falls way short of demonstrating it. Her pain is real, and she has my sympathy and prayers, but the charge of "cult" is a serious one that demands serious evidence.

    January 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM
  12. DeniseTruth #

    This entire missive is silly. Almost every point is a twisting of reality, and is clearly written by demonic forces, substituting this "Ariel" person as a drone. Does anyone know who "Ariel" is? Every criticism is easily refuted…as if a really immature person cannot handle real life. I have a son who is on staff at a HOP in a different state, and I have been to IHOP and have friends at IHOP. Mike Bickle has given teachings on what a cult is and expounded on it's definition in various teachings and settings. It seems that this "Ariel" person wants reasons to be offended, and is merely making things up and adding massive sophistry for effect. The internship "divides families"? Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly???? My son's time on staff at a HOP has actually brought us closer. He is much more mature in the things of God and his character is amazing. I could brag on him all day long. I have heard Cory Russell say with my own two ears that they train people NOT TO BE DEPENDANT. They raise up leaders to HEAR GOD FOR THEMSELVES. I've even heard Corey say that he makes people go pray before he just automatically counsels people. So what "dependance on leaders" is this Ariel person talking about? Seriously. What kind of person deliberately twists what IHOP does, and how they operate? This "Ariel" person, is clearly a demonic plant just making things up, or doesn't understand what IHOP is all about. The "paranoia if you leave" is just an outright lie. Mike Bickle couldn't care less if you want to leave. It's between the individual and the Spirit. In terms of "the outside world" being scary. Good grief. Has this person read their bible? The world is getting darker. Sorry if that hurts your feelings "Ariel", but the bible is the bible and Mike Bickle didn't write it. The structure of IHOP and the accountability may seem overbearing to someone who is used to living on their own, or to someone who has lived a hedonistic lifestyle. Matter of fact, at the HOP my son is on staff at, they had people coming out of drug addiction in his internship. *THAT'S WHY* the activies are so highly structured; different people from different backgrounds and lifestyle choices have to be given boundaries. For many young adults, spending hours on Facebook and generally wasting time is seen as normal (this describes my son's life before he did his internship). Providing structure gives them more of a sense of how to steward their time properly. It is not unusual for my son to be at home and spend hours in the Word and prayer, without any prompting from me. What God-fearing parent DOES NOT want their for their child? Can someone tell me? My son was busy but never felt over-burdened with the structure and boundaries during his internship. As time goes on, more freedom is given

    It seems to me that this is a ridiculous website planted by the enemy. Those who lap it up are being duped. Every point is an outright lie. I know what I'm talking about. You could probably criticize anyone or any Church group because we are all flawed human beings, attempting to serve Jesus as best we can. But to literally make things up or have perceived grievances, then to anonymously post such easily-refuted charges, is a demonic plot. Matter of fact, the "points" are so ridiculous, it shows to me just how demonic this really is.

    Here is a great teaching by Mike Bickle concerning cults:

    How to Recognize Cults: 7 Characteristics http://mikebickle.org/resources/resource/3427

    January 26, 2013 at 5:47 AM
  13. autonomy #

    I have been involved with IHOP since it was in a double wide trailer and now live close to the IHOP Atlanta. I can completely understand some of their structured rules as they are mainly dealing with young adults. However, I would state clearly that IHOP is not an enviroment for free thinking. The reason for this is because their theological beliefs are structured in such a way that is a house of cards. One card falls and whole system is destroyed. They are very careful at preserving their theology and do so through social manipulation because they cannot through solid exegesis of the scriptures. Their end time message is systemically weaven through all their theology and is absolutely necessary due to their prophetic history. This prophetic history has a foundation laid by false prophets, who have had multiple & serious demonstrations of unrighteousness. Not to mention repeated false and carnal prophecies that are not congruent with the nature and work of Christ. I was 20 when I began in this movement and only a Christian for 3-6 months. During this time frame I was tossed to & fro by all their intriguing and dynamic teachings. Luckily through their excellencies of Christ class I was introduced to the puritan writter John Owen. Through his excellent writtings on Christ God called me out of the movement all together. I now realize how little of Christ was preached and how the leadership had no grasp on church history or solid doctrine. I am thankful that I am no longer being tossed to fro by every wind of doctrine but have come to understand that Christ is sufficient and in that true Christian growth comes.

    January 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM
  14. Melissa #

    Wow, where shall I start? Never heard of someone complaining about an organization "forcing" you to pray, fast, journal, and otherwise learn to get closer to God before. Doesn't look like anything took though. She was looking for a good time, to hang out with a new set of friends, receive free labor when moving into her home in KS (most people are unbelievers by the way, and yet most are nice people), and whatever other delusions that her and her family talked themselves into. And $4500 for 6 months is more than a fair deal — take it from me, I live in New York.

    This entire story just make her sound like she isn't even born agan (what's with the "G-d" references — God has give us a spirit to be able to refer to him as Abba Father, not some far-off, pseudo reverential, pre-revelation show of knowing who He is). I'm definitely NOT convinced that IHOP is a cult. Perhaps some of their methods need to be communicated clearer so that youth who don't know God or that are perhaps not even saved can more readily understand whether they have the mettle for an intense training in learning to hear from God. Furthermore, her comments about former interns facing culture shock at not having a prayer room to go to….what?! Quite obviously she doesn't "get it." YOU ARE THE PRAYER ROOM….you should be able to pray in a closet at home and still find your way into The Secret Place.

    I hope someone from IHOP reads her story. They need to vet out their candidates a bit more thoroughly, by the Spirit, not just based on whether someone can convince you that they know who God is.

    February 9, 2013 at 2:51 PM
  15. David M. #

    I have read the story of the gal we're giving feedback on and it's very inspirational at high quality !!! I know what a "CULT" is and an "OCCULT". I was force fed Mormanism, given harsh prophecies of hell, growing up by members of family who were Nazarene…totally against Catholicism, and were even seemingly racially hindered due to false teachings and beliefs fed to them themselves !!! So,my extreme was turned into Arianism, the brain washing power of Nazism,national socialism and even the "Deeper secrets" of Satan's hatred for all man kind and his own Father, among witch craft/ "wica" and sorcery, shamanism, spiritists. (Not by them, but was a catalyst unto it !!!). I've read stuff such as the Koran, Qumran,the Lost books of the bible, such as Enoch and The Infancy, The book of Thomas and Mary Magdaline…among others'. When I went to prison, my studies took me through all the so called "Religions" and beliefs. I went through the A.A / N. A style of "Higher Power". Yet,I done it with the mind,heart and all attitude that Christ was going to lead me into truth cause "Man errors". My main focus was "God in Christ and Christ in me to become as He is and One with and in THEM !!! ( John 17: 21-23) and ( Eph 2: 19-22). and the two scriptures that read : ; "And they will no more teach each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for they will all know Me [ recognize,understand,and be acquainted with Me], from the least of them to the greatest, says the Lord…… ( Jer 31: 34) and " But as for you, the anointing, the appointment, the unction) which you received from Him abides [permanently] in you; [so] then you no longer have no need that anyone should instruct you. But just as His anointing teaches you concerning everything and is true and is no falsehood, so you must abide in (live in, never depart from) Him [ being rooted in Him, knit to Him], just as [His anointing] has taught you [to do]. ( 1 Jnohn 2; 27). "You can do nothing apart from Me " SO many other proofs !!!
    Anything can be used by GOD to call you to Himself. It's "The calling" that hands you 1st the gift of faith, and then it's Wisdom given for the production of discernment with the absolute trust in Christ / God, alone, and from there on in / out !!! Some one or something has been used to call you and it's up to you to "Heed" that calling for yourself FIRST, and then can you be used as a tool for God / Christ to harvest the field. Think on Paul. All true followers of Christ are and were persecuted… if you think that you won't be then you have been suckered !!!!
    My reflections upon this Mike character is the same as I was given about the "House of God" to be " a house of prayer''… Jesus Himself had thrown people out of the temple due the false ways and teachings they were in. Paul, Peter, etc… were first sent to be teachers and then went on to other places to teach again even still, adding upon as many who were called and sending them out. In Acts the ways of the church's dealings were written about and where was that bad then to be bad now ? Giving the church their possesions and selling them to be One and even Peter told them it was still theirs !!! Jesus said that "Seek The Kingdom first and ALL things will be yours cause it's all MINE to give !!!!", " What is My Fathers is Mine !!!
    Jesus sent people you didn't consider to be Disciples cause they weren't the 12, yet one betrayed Him even. Jesus was, and is THE LEADER / Head Cornerstone. He was called a cultist by that generations standards of beliefs and He said; " Beware to not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit" by calling a man or congregation evil in its works when the works are of and by God and not of and by mere men !!! Calling Peter Satan right after He Told Him he was blessed cause mere man hadn't revealed Jesus as the Christ !!! He said " those who hear my voice know Me and will hear your words as well… if you are truly Mine. If not, kick the dust off your feet and move on to the next city" !!! " Those who aren't against us are for us, so don't hinder them "..( when the disciples said they saw some guy teaching the gospel but not of their group…) He told His group; "I will manifest Myself to you", and "This is for you to know and not the world", He spoke only in parables to separate the "sheep from the goats", and even said " I came to cause division; you from your families cause if even they are more than Me, you aren't worthy of Me !!! ". " Let the dead ( In sin) bury the dead !! "( Put it together people ! ).
    My other point, in this attack upon a fella I've NEVER even met, is If he thinks he's Christ incarnated and not just a tool, then he is a false prophet, and a true anti Christ. But If he knows his role, and is a servant, then his reward and glory are already bestowed. " A disciple is not above his teacher, nor is a servant or slave above his Master…& on into the next 4 vs.
    I agree with the statement that this fella became an idol to this young woman and that a utopia / uphoria expected was the fall. It reminds me of My reasons for drugs and the people that I hung around,…the Elijah times and the false idols and the fact that he mocked them for their expectations in a false god to appear and would not, even through the cutting and wailing !!! HA HA HA HA !!!!! And what about the angel who came and said; " See that you don't do it ( worship me).. " for He was only a messenger…? You can find fault in anything and anyone if that's what you want to do !!! But wrong IS wrong and right IS right !!! You choose….
    Why does any one go to church or seek fellowship ? To get close to those who are "The washers' of the feet ,by the example of Christ, a support, worshiping GOD / CHRIST, by actions, based upon faith that it's grace and mercy, through the blood that saved / saves, and not to worship by rite, ritual or ceremony but in spirit and in TRUTH and by prayer !!!
    My teen and early 20 years were lived in those apartments. I used to drink and raise HELL in the bar that used to be right there. I washed my clothes in the laundromat, groceried at the Thrift way and shopped at the dollar store. I have been saved and I know the truth !!!
    I think I can stop her cause you know I can go on and on……
    If I seem to have left my thoughts unfinishe…you can guess…

    February 10, 2013 at 6:06 AM
  16. David M. #

    Actually I do have to say one more thing….When I got free from prison I was ALONE !!! I didn't have any body in this world to lean on as support cause they ALL thought I was false and Should go to school to learn the Truth !!!( Paul didn't,…Jesus DIDN'T !!!!)…I gave up on any one and any place as a supporting need cause they just weren't there !!! I realized that CHRIST was then, when learning and still is, my only TRUE reliance,…for "There will come a time when they will kill you thinking they do God a service…" the name Christian isn't any different than Gentleman when they clearly are not either one in character or under title of religion !!! We need to have rules and regulations in the setting of the church guided by and relying upon the ways and character of Christ, as even written about and shown throughout the new testament. I was called to do such a thing as Mike and his buddies started and are doing,but my fear of persecution from those who claimed the name were worse than those I wanted to be separated from to begin with. Now I'm not scared of either one of them !!! Discipline and structure is the first wise act upon the gift of any knowledge given to be used by and for others' well being. Cause for real ….The only thing you take with you from this life on into the next is your knowledge but more importantly the attitude and character you learned it all in !!!

    February 10, 2013 at 6:45 AM
  17. Marie #

    My children have begged to go to IHOP because some of their friends went and said that God is really moving down there. So as a parent (it takes a parent to rasie a child, not a village….I ascribe to this Biblical mandate), I researched IHOP and spoke with people who have attended this religious system. After researching, praying, and searching the Scriptures, it was easy to share with my children what I have learned.

    If a prophet prophesies and it does not come to pass, then he is a false prophet. Thankfully, by God's mercy and grace, we do not stone false prophets any longer under the New Covenant, Jesus Christ. IHOP if full to overflowing with false prophets, false prophecies, and many of the people associated with IHOP are themselved false prophets seeking extra Biblical revelatory knowledge. In my local area, those who have attended IHOP seek experiences not found in our Holy Scriptures; one woman boasted of an experience called "birthing" where she was slain in a spirit and fell onto the floor and had "birthing pains' and "went through all of the motions as if she were really giving birth to a baby." Another woman claimed to have had "visions of Jesus" while singing during worship. So I asked her if she had those visions while they were singing the same phrase or word over and over for an extended period of time, and her response was "Yes." I had already done the research on hypnosis and how this new repetitive so called worship music preys on the mind and the power of suggestion….it is not of God. I asked another woman, does the preaching at IHOP continuously speak of an "end times army?" She replied, "Yes," so then I asked her what that meant to see if she clearly understood its implications. She responded by saying that God is doing a new thing building up his army to take over the earth for his kingdom here on earth. So she did understand their teachings and by God's mercy and grace, I was able to help her to understand this is false theology, inciting man does not build the kingdom of God here on earth, this is dominionism, but instead our citizenship is in heaven and only God has built His kingdom of which Jesus Christ is the Head. To even remotely imply that man has the authority and ability to build God's kingdom puts man in the seat of God instead of Jesus Christ.

    There are many excellent discernment ministries on the internet that are warning and helping parents like me to make an informed decision. I Praise our Lord for these people who are doing the research and comparing everything with the Word of God.
    One of the character traits from these people who attend IHOP is elitism. And when you question IHOP, its theology, and their practices, these church people become angry and they will hate you with their hearts and slander you with their tongues because they believe they know God more intimately than you do. To which I respond, these are cultic signs and I do not want my children, nor my friends involved with a movement that lacks sound doctine.

    February 11, 2013 at 1:21 AM
    • Keith #

      Marie, your comment is very valuable because one of our very good friend couple strongly recommend us to send our daughter to the IHOP summer camp this year. From reading those blogs that support IHOP here, I only feel hostile, negative reactions not rational, caring attitude that Christ followers should have. But Marie's detailed summary pointed a lot of concerns about IHOP that have been shared in many Christians and they are very reasonable. I will not send my daughter to the camp if these concerns are true.

      May 5, 2013 at 5:10 PM
      • Marie #

        Greeings Keith,
        It everything, test the spirits as we are commanded to do via Scriptures. You, as a parent, can go to IHOP'S website and read through the information presented. Then research the resources they recommend on their site, and you will discover that many their authors resonate with the new age moverment as well as gnosticism, mysticism, and contemplative practices

        A red flag for me was this; when I dared to question the teachings and belief system of IHOP with my brothers and sisters in Christ, I received a backlash of hostility that you mentioned in your entry. Their veneer of love turned to hatred and gossip, backbiting and the slandering of my name because I dared to question this movement.

        Keith, I want to encourage you in your faith in Jesus Christ; Him alone. Instead of spending volumes of mammon (money printed with masonic freemasonry occult symbols), why not have a Bible study in your home with your children, with you leading your family in reading the Scriptures, asking God, the Holy Spirit, to reveal His truth to you. This kind of Bible Study, devotions and prayer has brought our family closer together in our home and I have witnessed the softening of my children's heart towards us as parents and towards one another. Most importantly, this form of worshipping together has encouraged their faith in Jesus Christ, preparing their souls for eternity.

        You are a good Dad, Mr. Keith.

        May 6, 2013 at 7:59 AM
    • Lynne #

      Praise God that you love Him & your children enough to practice Biblical discernment…you'd be surprised at how many people who call themselves Christians these days that will not engage in Biblical discernment and instead chase signs, experiences, and wonders…then again maybe you would not be so surprised.

      February 8, 2014 at 2:43 AM
  18. Kzv #

    I agree with Kay. You say after praying about, you've decided it's the right time to go. Then you pray about it, and it's a cult? It makes no sense. I have been there, and it has changed my life. I fell madly in love with the Father. After leaving IHOP, you just cannot expect the world to be such a surprise. It'a up to you to get engaged with Abba daily and have your devotions. Or did you expect someone to guide your relationship with Him? Also, you claimed to get all your "manna" from the hyped conferences and services, along with the prayer room. You were being dependant on those services and conferences to get your satisfaction, and not on the Father. You can have your prayer time in your very own room. So I get that you're saying you only had your devotion time in the prayer room and only remembered God in conferences and services and any other time they did not service or a conference you forgot Him. You should learn to engage with the Father on your own time also, instead of always waiting on just those services.

    March 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM
  19. Marie #

    And may I add another point of concern to you, Keith. My husband and I have paid for our children to attend "Christian" conferences with their friends, which has been quite costly. I, too, have attended Christian conferences for a price…..and now, I must admit to you, that I grieve in my spirit because Jesus never meant for man to charge mammon to hear His glorious Word. In our culture, we have made a mockery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ of which we NEED to repent, for when we read our glorious Holy Scriptures, nowhere in the Bible have I ever read where Jesus, or His Apostles, charged a fee at the gate to hear the Word of God……..the Gospel was free, is free, and always will be free.
    The the true born again believers gave from their hearts as the Holy Spirit prompted them, giving to the distribution of taking care of those in need.

    Praise and worship from the Bible in your home will prepare your souls for eternity in the presence of Jesus Christ far more than spending money to send your children to "Christian" conferences. I cannot stress this enough, because of the errors that we have made as parents….and that is this…..before you send your children anywhere, it is of great importance to research what doctrines those in authority teach and preach. It may surprise you that much of it is "doctrines of demons" as the Word proclaims.

    May 7, 2013 at 2:23 AM
    • richard #

      everyone from my church that has went there said it's great. the bible said to judge something by it's fruit. the fruit of ihop is praise and worship God to focus on God. not to focus on earthly things. just saying

      June 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM
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  21. Ceece Road #

    I am glad you are no longer involved with ihop. I have been and loved it. I don't know where u were but it wasn't ihop. I hope The Lord blesses u and helps u to be free from bitterness, u really have that spirit on u. I will pray for you that u will be delivered from bitterness.

    May 20, 2013 at 1:17 PM
  22. Beatriz Atkins #

    Ok. I read the whole article now. I am scared now. I know some people there and now I'm afraid they are in a cult. Good article. Well written. May God have mercy on us.

    May 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM
    • richard #

      why is it a cult when their focus is worship? and also 4500 dollars for 6 months isn't bad -,-

      June 28, 2013 at 9:38 AM
    • richard #

      it's not a good article -,- it's 4500 for "6 months" and people from my church that went there have become new Godly person. i'm going there this week and i'm excited because i know that God's going to do great things.

      July 14, 2013 at 9:25 PM
  23. christina #

    paying attention to what you are saying, sounds like you have been brainwashed.

    May 25, 2013 at 8:02 AM
    • Marie #

      "Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor aske Him, saying, "Are you the King of the Jews?" Jesus said, "It is as you say." And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing. Then Pilate said to Him, "Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?" But He answered them not one word, so that the governor marveled greatly. Now at the feast the governor was accustomed to releasing to the multitude one prisoner whom they wished. And at that time they had a notorious prisoner named Barabbas. Therefore, when they gathered together, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release to you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ? For he knew that they had handed Him over because of envy." Matthew 27:11-18

      If indeed, Christina, you are accusing me of being brainwashed, then the annointed Word of God is my Teacher, so therefore, yes, I am pleased to be "brainwashed" by the very Word of God and not the Nicolatian system which man has set up to worship himself above a Righteous and Holy Father.

      What pastor, preacher, priest, or one in leadership who lords over people (Nicolatian system), have we raised above the Lordship of Jesus Christ? Perhaps the envy that still lives in the heart of our self adored and self worshipped human leaders of our day, would attack and persecute those who truly defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

      Perhaps the heart of men and women today are no different than the wicked religious leaders of Jesus' day. And Pilate, a non-religious leader, knew the hearts of those who professed to know god……a god of their own understanding and of their own make-up, and of the false accusations made against Jesus Christ.

      I am sorry Christina, but I cannot put man, any man, whether clergy or laity, in the place of my mediator, who is Jesus Christ, and Him alone. Jesus is the only One who saves, and this is an affront to the relgious system here in America. Any other is blatant idolatry.

      September 17, 2013 at 4:41 AM
  24. Jack #

    May God bless this young lady for writing this article. Thank you, Marie, for sharing that about your kids wanting to go and you researching IHOP first. In my late 20's, a friend of mine had heard about it and wanted me to go with him. He explained that I needed to be prepared to see things happen that I've not seen before. He mentioned people collapsing in the "Spirit", but it was not the Holy Spirit. The Bible tells us there will be false teachers and that people will wonder why they aren't in heaven after casting out demons in Jesus' Name. Though it's not my place to say who doesn't make it to heaven, these are false spirits. I know my friend is a Christian – he was led to this by someone else, and I pray for God to give him discernment. A lot of the time people fall back and groups like IHOP say it's because of the Holy Spirit. I can't stress how important it is to test everything you're taught, and compare it to Scripture. Read the context of the phrase going backwards in the Bible. You will see that God doesn't do that to us. If you believe what IHOP has to say, before you write off what I have to say, I urge you to please test it, make sure it is of the Bible.

    One thing I've noticed, whether it's IHOP or groups/people who think among the same lines, they believe that just certain people are anointed to heal others. First of all, no man has the power to heal another, only God has the power. Also, whoever receives Christ into their heart is anointed right then with the Holy Spirit. They talk about accessing different "spiritual realms" while on earth. That is not Biblical.

    Anyone who is unsure still about IHOP's movement, read about how it started. Ask God to give you discernment. Here is a link of how it got started by "The Kansas City Prophets". I urge you to read this:
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kcp.html

    I'm not here to judge the members of the movement, but I am here because I want to warn those who are a part of it or considering it. I will never forget the sick feeling I had after leaving. Not physically sick, but a filthy sickness, as in I had been in the presence of the work of the enemy. I haven't nearly told everything that happened when I was there, but I would be happy to share if you would like to know. May God bless us, and may we always be spiritually prepared for whatever life throws our way.

    June 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM
    • pac #

      My niece just got back from one of these session. And it was ugly she was not herself and was inable to tell us everything. Can you enlighten me on your experience there. Because what came back was not of God.

      January 8, 2014 at 4:39 AM
  25. Øyvind #

    This is absolute foolishness. I have never been at IHOP, but I have listened online to Mike Bickles sermons. All his teachings have been biblical and balanced.

    Mike Bickle is emphasizing a biblical lifestyle in wholeheartedness and relationship with Jesus Christ. Preaching that in a covenant relationship with God, you press in through prayer, fasting, giving and a holy lifestyle. Not saying, that salvation comes by doing these works, but rather, when you are saved they are the lifestyle of a Christian.

    The problem is that our society is against all these things, and so is modern Christianity. We have watered down the gospel and preach so, that people can stay in their sins. The average Christian is stonehearted and not able to walk in the spirit, and most ministries preach so to indulge the worldly lifestyle of modern Christianity.

    This girl´s testimony reveals, that she was depending on IHOP to give her a lifestyle of goose bumps. When this involved prayer, fasting and a little discipline, she got discouraged. But the bible clearly shows us how to approach God. It is by faith, not feeling – in prayer, not sleeping – in the spirit, and not in the flesh.

    There are three things necessary for salvation, in the order below.

    1) Hebr. 9:22 And almost all things are by the Law purged with blood: and without shedding of blood is no remission. (Jesus shed His blood)
    2) Hebr. 11:16 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that commeth to God, must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (You must believe in Jesus)
    3) Hebr. 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord (You must turn from your sins, and obey Jesus)

    Many will agree on the two first points, but will not agree on the last point. Take it to God, it´s in the bible.

    The problem is not with IHOP, the problem is with the mindset of the modern believer og also of this girl. Off course IHOP makes mistakes, there is no ministry that is perfect. But any ministry proclaiming, that the Christian is not of this world, and should not conform to this world will have critic’s.

    The young lady emphasizes the tuition fee of $4500, and compares it with her monthly expenses of $1500. First of all, the tuition fee was for 6 months. So the right comparison would be 9000$ to the $4500. The $4500 paid for six months’ worth of food, shelter, tuition – wages, electricity etc.

    Preaching the practical outliving of the bible is unpopular. It doesn’t go well with this world, and sadly, it doesn´t go well with most Christians. It´s time we bend our knees and agree with the bible. The bible isn´t politically correct and so isn´t Jesus.

    June 27, 2013 at 11:50 PM
  26. richard #

    ya they do, they even invite sick and injured people in so they can pray for them. miraculous things happens during the time and people being healed.

    July 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM
    • Lynne #

      Um…like Benny Hinn? To be honest, if you have false prophecies & other mess like chasing $…I would care less if our pets began rapping in the aisle. Rin for the hills away from them…

      February 8, 2014 at 2:58 AM
  27. richard #

    i can explain why it isn't a cult :D the bible told us to judge by something's fruit. their fruit is to worship God with all their heart mind and soul. moreover to love God. which is what he instructed all human;s to do. they have a fruit of love for God. That's why it isn't a cult

    July 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM
    • bob #

      Dude, what makes you think they have love for God? Because they have seizures and babble? The false prophecies they produce is pretty clearly bad fruit.

      December 13, 2013 at 11:28 AM
    • Rose #

      If that's true then why does the Vatican act like Mormons and Lutherans are awful and the devil, even though they believe in the same god.

      Catholicism and Christianity fit every signof being a cult.

      Thank god the new pope isn't blindly following a book written by men, who lied in it and have alternate many times for their pan purpose, just because it was INSPIRED by god.

      January 14, 2014 at 8:48 AM
      • Rose Vosburgh #

        Rose, Mormons and Lutherans do not worship the same god. Mormons believe god is one of many gods. Their god was once a man just like us. He came from another planet where he had spirit babies with his celestial wife. These spirit babies are born on earth and they too can become gods if they believe in Jesus and do enough good works in this life. This is very different than what Christianity teaches. Go to carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine to see if this is not so.

        You are very right, Rose, in that Catholicism is a cult..for so many reasons, but mainly because it teaches a false gospel that we are saved from the wrath of God by faith in Christ plus good works, participation in the sacraments and rituals of the Church. The Bible teaches we are saved by faith in Christ alone…it is not by anything we can do. Good works are the evidence of true salvation but they have no part in justifying us before a holy God. The Books of Romans and Galatians clearly teach this.

        Romans 3:28 "..a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

        Romans 6:23"…the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord."

        Galatians 2:16"…Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

        Galatians 3:11"…No man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident, The just shall live by faith

        Salvation is a free gift…one we cannot earn.

        I hope and pray you will check these things out for yourself and not continue to be embittered against true Christianity because of the false representation of others who claim to know the Christ of the Bible. Their unkind behavior toward you and their legalism prove that they have never known Him. The only way to know what true Christianity teaches is to read God's Word.

        January 14, 2014 at 5:07 PM
      • Lynne #

        lol-sad…the fact that the new pope claims to believe the 'God' of the Bible as all in the past and did just what they have done, altered and/or supported positions and teachings in contradiction to what God says is proof he is 'a' antichrist too. It's also clear you do not want the God of the Holy Scriptures…that you want to blindly follow what you think is best and as such unless God intervenes in you…you will have your place with the your father the devil whom also supports 'do what thou wilt' You believe you can blindly place your faith in you or other man to keep you safe, well as they say: 'good luck with that' Just in case someplace in you actually is deceived (and not just desiring to be one 'god) I highly recommend 'The Case For Christ' by Lee Strobel. He is an award winning investigative journalist & former atheist whom sought to prove that the Bible & Jesus was false…and looking at it objectively; realized the Gospel is true & the Holy Bible not just some or another book.

        February 8, 2014 at 3:06 AM
  28. richard #

    are we suppose to agree with human teaching or God's teaching from the bible? hope you can asnwer that :)

    July 14, 2013 at 9:18 PM
    • Rose #

      Why should we agree with the bible at all?

      It was written by man, and the it has been proven and admitted that the bible had been altered and changed multiple times for other people's gain.

      Even then, most 'believers' pick and choose what parts to agree with, like the man at my grandmothers church who has 'man shall not lie with man like he lies with women" or whatever on his chest, yet ignored the fact that anything unnatural on the body is also sin, so says the bible, and that includes tattoos.

      This is why I don't believe in Christianity and Catholicism anymore. It's become twisted and destroyed by people who only want to believe what works for them, and then they hurt people and use god as a shield.

      God, I believe in. The church and the bible, I don't.

      January 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM
      • Rose Vosburgh #

        The Bible was written by men but under the inspiration of God, so God is the author.

        'The bible had been altered and changed multiple times for other people’s gain.'

        "The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be "Jesus Christ." So the actual amount of textual variation of any concern is extremely low. Therefore, we can say that we have a remarkably accurate compilation of the original documents." from Carm.org

        Yes, there are more translations or Bible versions available today…KJV, NASB, ESV, NKJV. NIV., NLB….to name a few and each has its strengths and weaknesses. Some are word for word translations, others are paraphrases which would not be suitable for Bible study but could be helpful to someone who needs easy to understand language for reading. Personally, I started out with a Living Bible someone gave me when I was first saved. It got me into the habit of Bible reading…and feeling confident that I could understand the Book. But I quickly graduated to a word for word translation from there.

        "Although the exact choice of words or sentence structure is different in each translation, the meaning is identical. Take the words of Jesus in Mark 16:16 from three "versions" as an example; NIV: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved". KJV: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". NAS: "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved" Different words and sentences but the meaning is identical.

        To blame religious division on the fact there are different Bible versions, therefore, is incorrect. The view that each translation of the Bible conveys a different message is also incorrect. There is only one Bible message that has been translated into hundreds of different languages." From Bible.ca

        I don't personally care for some of the newer Bible paraphrases, like the Message Bible, which I believe are poor representations of God's Word. Publishers of some of these newer versions have a low view of the Bible and are more interested in appealing to men,,,and yes, probably in making money.

        But that is not the case with most of the very reliable translations Christians are using today.

        Putting a mark on the skin was forbidden for the Jews in the Old Testament under the ceremonial law that God imposed on them to show that they were a people set apart, holy unto God. Old Testament ceremonial law does not apply to Christians under the New Testament and therefore not a sin. While I would not get a tattoo, I would not call someone a sinner if they did get one.

        'Lying with mankind as with womankind'…on the other hand is not part of the ceremonial law which applied only to the Jews. It is part of the moral law that applies to all mankind and is based on God's holiness.

        "Moral law is to promote the welfare of those who obey. The value of the laws is considered obvious by reason and common sense. The moral law encompasses regulations on justice, respect, and sexual conduct, and includes the Ten Commandments. It also includes penalties for failure to obey the ordinances. Moral law does not point people to Christ; it merely illuminates the fallen state of all mankind." From gotquestions.org

        I am very sorry for the bad experiences you have had with legalistic Christians and with the cult of Catholicism. Neither represents true Christianity. True Christians do not hurt others, throwing around Bible verses they take out of context, using God as a shield. Forget what you have been taught or what you observed in these so-called 'christian' people and just pick up a Bible and read it for yourself… with a humble heart asking God to show you if it is true and to help you understand it. Many people have negative opinions about the Bible based on the actions of others…but never bother to check it out for themselves…to see what God really does say…and what He is really like. You cannot know the Lord except through His Word. Without the Word as our guide, we end up believing in a god of our own creation, one we create to suit ourselves, one we can feel comfortable with …but not the true God to whom we will all have to give an account one day when this life is over. In the Bible you will meet the God who revealed Himself to us as our Savior in the Lord Jesus Christ.This is the most important thing in life…what we believe about God… because it has eternal consequences. Don't let the sins of those who hurt you keep you from finding salvation in Christ and a home in heaven one day.

        January 14, 2014 at 4:31 PM
      • Rose Vosburgh #

        Rose, I am re-posting the end of my previous post for you, fearing you may not have gotten all the way to the end of my very long comment. (Sorry I got so wordy) I just want to make sure…if you read nothing else …you will hopefully get to read this:

        I am very sorry for the bad experiences you have had with legalistic Christians and with the cult of Catholicism. Neither represents true Christianity. True Christians do not hurt others, throwing around Bible verses they take out of context, using God as a shield. Forget what you have been taught or what you observed in these so-called ‘christian’ people and just pick up a Bible and read it for yourself… with a humble heart asking God to show you if it is true and to help you understand it. Many people have negative opinions about the Bible based on the actions of others…but never bother to check it out for themselves…to see what God really does say…and what He is really like. You cannot know the Lord except through His Word. Without the Word as our guide, we end up believing in a god of our own creation, one we create to suit ourselves, one we can feel comfortable with …but not the true God to whom we will all have to give an account one day when this life is over. In the Bible you will meet the God who revealed Himself to us as our Savior in the Lord Jesus Christ.This is the most important thing in life…what we believe about God… because it has eternal consequences. Don’t let the sins of those who hurt you keep you from finding salvation in Christ and a home in heaven one day.

        God bless you!

        January 14, 2014 at 5:17 PM
  29. richard #

    God says to judge something by it's fruit. i'm judging ur fruit base on ur comment's content. it's not full of love but hate, and language sis

    July 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM
  30. cb #

    Although I found your warning signs of a cult to be good (minus the deity of Christ being removed, which was not in your piece), I did not find anything that you spoke of about IHOP or Mike Bickle to be true. I have close family that attends and on every point it was not accurate today. I just wanted to bring truth here. Thanks.

    July 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM
  31. lyn #

    For all who defend Mike Bickle, here is a piece that goes behind the scenes and shows us the harm of what this guy is doing – http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/8.htm

    It appears extra-biblical revelation is commonplace in these types of churches.Modern day prophets are endorsed as well; the problem with this is that we already have the word of God, it is found in the form of the written 66 books known as the Holy Bible. Anything outside this is just not supported by the word of God. God used prophets to speak to and warn His people, this was before they had His written word. Since we have the written word, there is no longer a need for prophets. This may be helpful in understanding the role of prophets – http://www.ligonier.org/blog/are-there-still-prop

    July 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM
  32. Marie #

    I have been delivered out of a church system who promotes IHOP and all of those "big" names associated with the New Apostolic Reformation of which Mike Bickle is a major player. We can only humble ourselves and praise our LORD that stoning is not a part of the New Covenant found in Jesus Christ, otherwise all of those prophets who prophesy lies would be stoned today. Please check out the false prophesiest made by Mike Bickle as they are many….and be warned.

    One genteman in conversation mentioned that we are to judge people by their fruits…..and yes, this is Scriptural. Then I will add this….I have been friends with people who have attended IHOP and promote the teachings of Mike Bickle and I will be very blunt here…..their "fruits" are no different than the rest of the world and in fact are in alignment with the traits found in I Timothy 3:1-5, "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!"

    These types of "lying signs and wonders" people of which Mike Bickle is a part of, creep into your households and make havoc of families with their false spirituality, fake love, and money hungry plots designed to fleece the sheep. They are wolves in sheep's clothing and seek to gather followers after themselves rather than followers of Jesus Christ, who denied Himself on the Cross for our sins………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………and our Savior did not charge money at the gate nor pass the coffers to witness His crucifxion….He freely gave.

    Beware of the men and women that make merchandise of the sheep.

    July 29, 2013 at 5:28 AM
  33. Marie #

    Thank-You Lyn for referencing Deception in the Church as they have some valuable resources from a Biblical perspective to help us discern the signs of our times.

    Great website!

    July 29, 2013 at 10:18 AM
    • lyn #

      You are welcome Marie, and you're correct, they are an excellent source for discerning what tries to pass itself off as 'Christian' in our day.

      July 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM
    • lyn #

      Marie,

      You might also want to check out victorstephensdotcom

      July 29, 2013 at 10:47 AM
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  36. Marie #

    One of the discernment ministries that has been beneficial in addressing the heresies of IHOP and the New (yet age old heresy/gnosticism) Apostlic Reformation (dominionist theology) has been a website called "The Plumbline Newsletter Archive" by Dr. Orrel Steinkamp. His website provided necessary information in aiding our family in NOT sending our children there to be indoctrinated with falsehoods at such an early stage in their faith in Christ.

    And thanks again Lyn…..as I am currently reviewing Victor Stephens site as well. Currently, in my Bible studies, I am researching "The lie of the tithe" and how preachers manipulate the pew sitters into giving money for their "vision" and not that of Jesus Christ.

    July 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM
    • Benjamin #

      Marie, IHOP doesn't teach dominionist theology. If you go to their website, they address it.

      August 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM
      • Marie #

        Hello Benjamin,

        Does "The Seven Mountain Mandate" sound remotely familiar to you. Please research this and the connections Mr. Bickle has with these individuals who plan on "taking over our nation for a christ"…..I will not blaspheme our LORD Jesus Christ here as He is Holy.

        August 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM
  37. I know a girl named Caylen at a church who is a con artist.she has used me and other people for free meals,concert tickets and all kinds of free items.she told me her mother taught her this way of life,but she's still at this church getting away with this behavior,menibulating people.she's good at using and fooling all of the church.caylen uses God as a cover to get her free vk's and all the attention and free stuff she can get.

    August 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM
  38. Charity Bixby #

    My opinion is that satan has an agenda to destroy worship and intercession ministries. It is unfortunate that you would be a part of that. You claim that you and your family prayed for years for confirmation of the move to IHOP…….are you certain you were called there? G od doesn't make mistakes. We, as Christians are called to obedience. We are

    August 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM
    • Lynne #

      People make mistakes…all the time. Also, maybe God used it for her good…even if it was to be a deliverance ministry. The fact that they are free today is God's grace I believe at work!

      February 8, 2014 at 3:10 AM
  39. Charity Bixby #

    to be servants, not to be served. IHOP feeds life to us through the word of God, which is Truth. The training process isn't meant to be comfortable, but to try us in order to build a Christ like character in us. Life is a mystery and throughout it, we will be tried through family, friends and even pastors. In the future, please allow God and Holy Spirit (whom is our guide), to direct you. Don't be a Judas and sell out to social media in order to elevate yourself, If you have a check in your spirit that something might be off in a particular ministry, pray for it, pray for the people, that is being a servant and pleasing to God. May God bless you and your family and draw you into the ministry that you belong. In Love, Charity

    August 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM
  40. Elizabeth #

    Hi, I was curious when I read this article because I don't live near Kansas city but I will listen to ihop frequently. I was not sure how much I agreed with the different statements she made, such as the one regarding separating from family. So I decided to do some research…here is a sermon on IHOP's website….on fighting cults… http://mikebickle.org/resources/resource/3412?__u

    Please Listen to this…it is important to see what Ihop is saying for ourselves

    August 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM
    • Elizabeth #

      I love you all, and want to know truth myself…please if you are interested in this article try listening to this sermon…

      He is talking about the vitality to look for what is being spoken by any speaker, in the Bible..
      That we must flee from anyone who tries to make us stay, with there ministry…and says we need permission to change ministries…

      He warns against leaders that try to make loyalty to a specific ministry or leader more important than family…
      Check this out…

      Be blessed

      August 14, 2013 at 8:55 AM
  41. Bill Bic #

    I've heard strange things coming out of IHOP but this tetimony doesn't strike me as valid, rather unmanaged expectations and hyperbole. IHOP may or may not be dangerous but the reasons listed here dont really hold water like so many commenters have pointed out.

    To those saying judge by the fruit, I know tons of Pastors and missionaries who are good a faking fruit… And we are too often too eager to accept it.

    August 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM
  42. Benjamin #

    I've been at IHOP for 2 years. They have evangelism outreaches every single day of the week that go out into kansas city, some days they have multiple outreaches.

    August 22, 2013 at 6:00 AM
    • bob #

      Get out. Didn't you see those people possessed by evil spirits?

      December 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM
      • DAWN #

        Just because a church organization, or so they call themselves, has an outreach does not mean they are doing the Lords work. Many people are in deception. I wish people would simply earnestly seek the Lord instead of following people. If people knew the Lord and knew His Word, they would not follow anything and everything that labels themselves Christian.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM
  43. Benjamin #

    I spent six months as an intern at IHOP. There was never "mandatory fasting days" EVER during my internship there. There was three meals provided a day every single day for the entire 6 months. The policy on fasting was always "don't ask don't tell" and treated as a personal matter between us and the Lord. My tuition was roughly $4,000 for the 6 months, I didn't have all of the money to do it and they were very gracious and worked with me on my tuition. In fact, when the internship was over I still owed several hundred dollars that I didn't pay off until several months after the internship was over. I knew people that worked in the admin office and they told me that they never break even with the internships, because most of the interns don't pay it fully. As for the sleep deprivation that she claims…I honestly slept 9 to 10 hours every night (personal choice). I've never slept as much in my life as I did then. We were expected to be at all of the scheduled classes and prayer room times, but I never had to ask permission to leave to go anywhere during our free time. I've watched several of the prophetic history dvd's and would be curious as to what you mean by "heavily edited." I have a feeling that at best that's an exaggeration. I encourage anyone that is interested as to whether IHOP is a cult or not, to do some research other than someones online blog post. Most of these accusations are either completely false or extremely exaggerated. The prayer room and the weekend services are all webstreamed for free on their website and all of Mike Bickle's teachings are available for free on his website. You can listen to them yourselves and draw your own conclusions.

    August 22, 2013 at 6:32 AM
  44. Benjamin #

    What are you talking about bro? I don't know one IHOPer that would claim that.

    August 22, 2013 at 6:38 AM
  45. Lou #

    What is striking is that no where in this young ladies critique does she share concerns about incorrect interpretation of the Scriptures by Mr. Bickle or question a theologic or philosophic doctrine and explain why it is wrong. She does not separate Mr. Bickle's teaching from other people in the church, so it pretty much sounds like an ad hominem attack to me. I have listened to a few of his sermons as my wife is active in a local HOP chapter not directly affiliated with IHOP and did not find any particular glaring errors in his beliefs. In fact, I have attended many church's in the Atlanta area of different denominations and have not found any large areas of disagreement between him and their messages. I read through her entire article hoping to learn more as even though I am a Christian for 20 years I love to learn from discussions of scholarly critique of different opinions in Christianity (e.g. Calvinism vs Arminianism in the modern church) and I gave it a chance but it honestly seems like a rather self centered complaint from someone who had some feelings hurt about something not specifically mentioned. As far as these concerns about Mr. Bickle being a prophet, I think there is a big difference between a self professed prophet and someone who is trying to discern signs of the times with end time prophecies. I would love to hear from someone who wants to challenges specific things he says and refutes them versus just judgmental attacks

    August 27, 2013 at 11:37 AM
  46. Jennifer #

    I have been exposed to IHOP and their teachings, vision, mission, etc…. I also know of quite a few people who have been part of the internship there. They are back at their home church. Cults in no way allow that. They are happy free in Christ people. Some leaders from IHOP have also been involved with helping build a house of prayer which is totally biblical. Houses of Prayer starts with ourselves and requires a discipline to those who desire it. Healthy accoutability is key to accomplishing such goals. I am not even sure if this is a what we would typically call a church. It is a house of prayer. I am sure many have home churches as do my friends. People I know are changed because of the experience they have had through practicing the dicipline of prayer and are servant leaders. I am someone who studies cults and behaviors sits in meetings etc and this hardly qualifies. Since no church is perfect there are always signs of cultic behavior. Is it a cult or a culture?

    September 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM
  47. Jerod #

    I completely agree. When I was reading this, I thought to myself sounds like she wasn't going there looking for God. She went there looking for acceptance from man. The number one thing that I noticed the first time I went to IHOP and it remained true of them during the semester I spent at IHOPU is that the focus is JESUS. They don't want people to look for hope, healing, or happiness anywhere outside of Jesus. That's what makes them a legit ministry that leads millions of people into wholehearted devotion to Jesus. I pray that this young lady and many like her will deal withe the offense in their heart and let God heal them so they can stop blaming their issues on everyone else.

    September 11, 2013 at 7:23 PM
    • bob #

      Regardless, all of their leaders are false prophets. In the OT they'd be stoned.

      December 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM
  48. Jerod #

    Have you ever met a person from there and experienced for yourself that they are not passionate for Jesus??? You made reference to the fact that they dosagree with some of the viewpoints of many "great reformers of the.church." That's the whole point of what they stand for. They don't want you to believe something just because a respected person said it. They encourage everyone to seek the Lord for themselves.

    September 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM
  49. Jerod #

    Ultimately this article sounded to me like a person who has a lot of bitterness and offense in her heart towards God and man. It didn't start with IHOP and it certainly didn't end there. I pray for healing and restoration to your soul my sister. :-)

    September 11, 2013 at 7:43 PM
    • DAWN #

      I have been to the International House of Prayer many times. I was walking in complete and utter deception. I visited a local church one day. A man by the name of Gene Bacon showed some videos from Todd Bentley and Rick Joyner revivals. People were acting like animals and shaking violently to a very eerie drum beat. I left very disturbed. Over the next several weeks I researched and researched this bizarre phenomenon. I connected the dots back to the Toronto blessing. I read testimonies about people leaving Toronto and falling into homosexuality and whoredom. I watched videos of people shaking, acting like animals, pastors were crawling on all fours with a collar around their necks and people dragging them by chains. I was freaked out, but I did not think this affected me. A few short weeks later, I was sitting in my church. The pastor was falling over, could barely speak, and was slurring his words horribly. A couple of ladies came to the front of the church and spoke about gold dust falling all over them. Another lady came to the front of the church and asked everyone to join hands and repent for blocking the supernatural. She did not say "the Holy Spirit" she said "the supernatural" She proceeded to ask for gold dust. I started to feel sick and I knew all of the sudden that what was going on was not God. I went home and cried and cried for days over the horrifying knowledge I had gained. Anyway, I linked the gold dust to Bethel California. My church had been studying Bill Johnston's curriculum from his School of Supernatural Ministries. Bill Johnston was directly connected to Toronto. Also, Mike Bickle is very much connected to this counterfeit movement. I will never go to IHOP again!!!! If you haven't been there, people walk around in a trance like state to repetitious music.

      When I discovered what I know now, I felt so alone. I was rejected by pretty much everyone I told about what the Lord had revealed. I found a great book called "The Kundalini Warning" by Andrew Strom, which helped shed some light on what is going on in the counterfeit church.

      2 Timothy 3:13 states,
      "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

      November 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM
    • khayla #

      Amen. I got angry at first, and then realized that there was no reason to be because it wasn't an attack on me as an IHOPer. It was simply a personal issue she had experienced in her own heart and instead of being upset, I actually want to pray for her.

      November 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM
  50. Marie #

    We can perceive this young lady to have bitterness and offense, or perhaps we can perceive this young lady to be wounded, injured in her spirit, and perhaps angry with herself that she allowed herself to be deceived by a group of people who profess themselves to be aposltes and prophets, not according to the Bible, mind you, but in their eyes only.

    I, too, was taken in by a group of people who preach and teach Mike Bickle material and I have discerned it to be very disturbing. I am not a "man child," nor is Jesus Christ "my husband" as some from this movement have claimed, nor do I believe that prophets today can have an "off" day in their preditions and be wrong…..true prophets of God are 100% correct in their prophecies and God, our Father, has spoken through the written Word for all of us to understand, meditate upon, study, and follow.
    Under the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, false prophets are no longer under the Law in being stoned to death, what a blessing this is for all false prophets who prophesy in the Name of Jesus, however, these men and women will be judged accordingly in that day when we will stand before Jesus Christ to give an answer.

    The extra Biblical revelations that derive from IHOP are from the spirit realm, however, it is not God, the Holy Spirit, speaking as He has already spoken. These spirit beings/spirit guides are from the enemy creating an elitist spiritual group who, I believe, think they will be doing God a favor, in believing they are His chosen to usher in the doiminionist mandate…..taking over every aspect of our culture for God.

    They also believe that Jesus will not return until we ask Him to do so……nowhere, I repeat, no where, is this found in the Word. We do not possess this type of authority.

    My heart breaks to see this deception taking place, as men seem to desire to follow other men and women, instead of our LORD Jesus Christ. God, please continue to pour out your mercy and grace upon us. Amen.

    September 12, 2013 at 7:21 AM
  51. Mandi #

    I agree! It's VERY expensive!! I thought the same thing. She was only paying $900 a month. Try going to college. It's much more than that and they don't feed you… People also HAVE to make a decent living. People expect people in ministry to live off ramen and drive crappy cars and such even though many of them have school loans, car payments, taxes, house payments and such just like everyone else. I am a part of house of prayer Evansville and I know they have you do written assignments and such but never are you "forced" to share. I call bull on this whole thing.

    September 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM
    • Marie #

      It is my understanding from our Holy Scriptures that the Apostle Paul, while ministering the life saving Gospel of Jesus Christ, worked hard with his hands as to not be a burden to the people he was ministering to.

      This martyred Apostle set an example for us to follow as well, to work hard with your hands, to be busy about the LORD'S work so as to not turn into busybodies and medal into other's affair where we do not belong, and to minister the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not the gospel of Paul, not the gospel of Bob, nor the gospel of Mike. Where does it say in our Scriptures that those who lord over us are to earn their living from the saints? The money/mammon collected in the New Testament congregations were used to feed the poor, the widows, the lame, and those who were in NEED, not to feed those who were capable of earning an honest day's wage.

      When we see capable people "charging" for the ministry of Jesus Christ, we have then whored the Gospel for a penny and the men and women who have prostituted Jesus Christ have become wealthy by using and abusing His Holy Name. And we call this Christianity when indeed the Scriptures define it as "the harlot."

      Jesus Christ never used His own name, nor the Name of His Father, to garner wages for himself, nor to become wealthy.

      And He never charged $60.00 per person at the gate to hear His conference. I believe Jesus said He came to "set the captives free."

      Thank-You LORD for that liberty that we can only find in and through YOU. Amen.

      September 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM
      • Ima Believer #

        Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

        It is interesting that Peter and John were helping a man that was begging for money… instead of seeking out the working poor to get them to fund the "Intergalactic Meeting House of the Terrific" (aka. I'm Hott).

        September 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM
    • Lynne #

      You are demonstrating a cult/false teaching supporter mindset. Why would unbelievers be willing to help a family who sold stuff & gave stuff away so that they could move there & the cult…um…I mean IHOP folk not be willing to do the same especially when they could not afford 20/hr/person…and they were moving into ihop community! You sound ridiculously unlearned…and I doubt if its any good excuse b/c in USA their is no persecution & full access to the Holy Bible!

      February 8, 2014 at 3:17 AM
  52. Yes they do.

    October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM
  53. You hit the nail on the head! She was definitely idolizing IHOP.

    October 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM
  54. Emily #

    I went and red Ariel's original blog post, and read the comments underneath and her replies. http://gospelmasquerade.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/
    She doesn't sound very bitter to me. I think it is hard for us to make proclamations about what her internship was like when we weren't there ourselves, living it every single day. The only other people on here who can really speak to her experience are those who have also attended an IHOP internship. It is likely that people who were in leadership roles during Ariel's internship time were a lot younger or are completely different people than those who are in leadership positions in the program now. No doubt some aspects of the program such as disciplinary measures and scheduling have changed over time. Two interns could have very different experiences because of these factors. The other thing to consider is that she went through the program 5 years before she posted her blog in 2009, so we are talking about a decade ago. $4500 for six months was a high price at that point. I did Masters Commission (full-time Christian ministry/leadership program) for ten months in 2003-2004 an it cost me under $4000, and also included housing and meals. I just wanted to add that to point out that in 2013, $4500 is a great deal but in 2003 or 2004? Not quite as good. Ultimately, I think Ariel's warning is a good thing even if you do think she was a young woman who idolized an experience and a ministry and had the wrong focus…because people who have a similar focus will read the blog and realize that they won't find what they are looking for at IHOP. If Ariel is totally wrong, why worry about it?

    1 Peter 3:13-17 Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? 14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened." 15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. 17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

    If you disagree with Ariel, fine. But calling her demonic, bitter, foolish, an idolater, etc. is not responding in 'gentleness and respect'….

    What it boils down to is Ariel (even if you believe 'Ariel' is fake, this article was written by SOMEONE) is a creation of God and he loves her completely.

    John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

    As God has loved us, love one another. God loves us even when we are defying him with all our might. It doesn't exempt us from his discipline, but he does so in utter love for us. This is an important verse for me and you to remember when we want to bash people who disagree with us or say things we consider misguided or out right wrong. We can disagree, but the way we are bashing one another on this discussion is off.

    Anyway, I don't have a verdict on IHOP. I don't know enough to make any kind of sweeping statement. I won't simply disregard the opinion of someone who spent everyday there for six months as invalid, and I won't assume that her experience is a lie, or that other people haven't had a fantastic experience there. Both can be true.

    November 5, 2013 at 6:20 AM
  55. N2C #

    I have to say that, after listening to a former intern that has just become a staff member at IHOP, this organization sounds disturbing.

    Most of the stuff this person stated lines up with what my friend shared about IHOP.
    The only difference is that my friend is completely overtaken by it.

    I am praying for the folks in this organization, that God reveals the truth.
    I have no doubt that many of the people seeking IHOP truly want to serve the Lord, but this organization seems to take advantage of them.

    November 13, 2013 at 7:24 AM
    • Lynne #

      Thank you!

      February 8, 2014 at 3:19 AM
  56. DAWN #

    I have been to the International House of Prayer many times. I was walking in complete and utter deception.

    About a year and half ago, a friend invited me to a church. A man named Gene Bacon showed video clips from Todd Bentley and Rick Joyner revivals. People were acting like animals and shaking violently to a very eerie drum beat. I was very disturbed by these videos.

    Over the next several weeks I researched and researched this bizarre phenomenon. I connected the dots back to the Toronto blessing. I read testimonies about people leaving Toronto and falling into homosexuality and whoredom. I watched videos of people shaking, acting like animals, people were crawling on all fours with collars around their neck. These people were being drug by chains like dogs. I was freaked out.

    A few short weeks later, I was sitting in my church. The pastor was falling over. He could barely speak, and was slurring his words horribly. A couple of ladies came to the front of the church and spoke about gold dust falling all over them at breakfast that morning. Another lady came to the front of the church and asked everyone to join hands and repent for blocking the supernatural. She did not say “the Holy Spirit” she said “the supernatural” She proceeded to ask for gold dust. I started to feel sick and I knew all of the sudden that what was going on was not God. I went home and cried and cried for days over the horrifying knowledge I had gained.

    Anyway, I linked the gold dust to Bethel California. My church had been studying Bill Johnston’s curriculum from his School of Supernatural Ministries. Bill Johnston was directly connected to Toronto. Also, Mike Bickle is very much connected to this counterfeit movement. I will never go to IHOP again!!!! If you haven’t been there, people walk around in a trance like state to repetitious music.

    When I discovered what I know now, I felt so alone. I was rejected by pretty much every supposed Christian I knew. I found a great book called “The Kundalini Warning” by Andrew Strom, which helped shed some light on what is going on in the counterfeit church. It was nice to know that their are people out there who recognize what is going on.

    2 Timothy 3:13 states,
    “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”

    Be very careful!!!! God does indeed move. But Christians must recognize what is God and what is not.

    November 24, 2013 at 6:36 PM
  57. khayla #

    hmmmm… $4,500 for the internship of 6 months, or $1,500 a month which adds up to $9,000 for 6 months. That argument makes sense..

    November 25, 2013 at 12:41 PM
  58. khayla #

    Yes they do. They even do outreaches downtown KC to help homeless people. They have a prayer room down there as well.

    November 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM
    • Actually, the outreach (called "Hope City") is planted within the community. It's a full-service outreach (food, shelter, clothing, prayer & worship, counseling, outreach, Bible-study etc.) that operates 24-7 in poverty district downtown. You can do an IHOP internship at this mission.

      January 17, 2014 at 2:57 AM
  59. khayla #

    I absolutely love your honesty Kay. You are completely right. I am so glad you said something! Thank you!

    November 25, 2013 at 12:50 PM
  60. Vonnie #

    I was wondering what pancakes had to do with anything.

    Okay, seriously, why is a TM practitioner, as the writer refer to himself, making judgment calls about the goings on in a Christian organization? Did he mean to say "former"? Also, in the yoga video, in addition to the weird jerking and standing on of heads, I also saw a lot of people sitting. I suppose Christians shouldn't sit either? I'm not defending that organization, but some of the comparisons there seemed like a real stretch. If anything, some of those people might want to see a neurologist.

    December 7, 2013 at 6:29 AM
    • Lynne #

      Or instead of a neurologist…stay away from evil spirits & ihop? P.S. Sitting is ok…uncontrollable jerking is not-smh!

      February 8, 2014 at 3:21 AM
  61. DAWN #

    Just because a organization labels itself Christian does not mean it is. Do people really underestimate Satan so much that they believe he is beyond working within the context of so called Christianity. Many people are in deception. People have the tendency to follow anyone claiming to be a Christian leaders. People need to earnestly seek the Lord instead of following people. If people knew the Lord and knew His Word, they would not be deceived into following things that are not of the Lord. People do not not have the answer; seek the Lord!

    I cannot understand why people tend to wrap their identity so tightly into organizations that they get seriously angry that anyone would say something against that group. Your identity should be in Christ, not being part of IHOP or any other organization. You should get mad when people speak against Christ, not when they speak against Mike Bickle or IHOP.

    December 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM
    • Lynne #

      Amen…that is true 'idol' worship.

      February 8, 2014 at 3:23 AM
  62. jenny #

    God bless Ihop! All the way from Nigeria I testify that Ihop has been a blessing. Ever since I started listening to Misty Edwards my christian walk has become better. If u can't sacrifice all those things requested of u by IHOP no problem but u don't need to condemn them. Let those who can remain. …He led captivity captive( to the will of God). What do u think Jesus meant when He told one to sell all he had nd follow Him, or another to leave the burial of His Father… IHOP didn't force u, u can leave or stay, we all have diff paths to walk what is most imp is ur walk with God.
    As for the journals, I think it is awesome what they do for it is necessary for the to keep such updates of spiritual encounters to know the area of ur calling, strenghts and weaknesses afterall u are a student there nd not compelled to remain there for life.

    December 29, 2013 at 12:02 AM
    • Dawn #

      Clearly Jenny, you do not see what is REALLY going on. For those of us who see IHOP for what it really is has an obligation to warn. There is a difference between condemnation and warning. If one person hears and adheres to the warning glory be to God!!!! I pray you come to see the truth. Not that long ago, I too was blind, but now I see. I do not wish to argue and I seriously doubt the others who feel the urgency of warning do either. These people think they are giving up everything to follow Jesus. Unfortunately, it is not the Lord they are following!

      December 29, 2013 at 6:08 AM
  63. jenny #

    I'm yet to hear any of Ihop's minister's or leaders draw attention to themselves instead of Christ. John the baptist was misunderstood, Christ was misunderstood cos they didn't fit into the people's expectations. God bless IHOP if u can't support them, don't comdemn them.

    December 29, 2013 at 12:13 AM
  64. Svt #

    Well said! I feel like people are going by "it looks as if" instead of the facts. It's so sad that people feel the need to destroy such amazing ministries. Save your judgement and keep it to yourselves people. If you have a problem, take it home with you and leave the ministry alone.

    January 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM
  65. I've been associated with IHOP for nearly all of it's 15 year history. My family and I moved to Kansas City to join staff three years ago. I'm a graduate of Fuller Seminary with a M.Div in Christian Formation and Discipleship. Worked with evangelical leaders of nearly every stripe and nationality in Fuller's doctoral program. Over the 30+ years of professional/pastoral ministry have cultivated very close associations with numerous other evangelistic ministries. I don't know one leader/staff member at IHOP (teacher, worship leader, or support staff) who doesn't subscribe to every tenet of the Nicean creed. (A universal marking point for all definitions of "cult". If you become dysfunctional in praxis, it will also manifest in dysfunctional theology.)
    I've never been around a group of believers who put more emphasis on a thorough, authentic love for the Man, Christ Jesus; in mind, emotion and obedience. I've never "heard of" a community of people who are more mobilized to mission and evangelism – as either part of IHOP's organized strategy of evangelism, or in partnership with any number of sound, orthodox, evangelical missions organizations; or in terms of the incarnational lifestyle of evangelism. It's not even close… It is almost impossible to find a staff person (or intern) who has not spent time on a foreign mission field or is preparing themselves for missions work. (Don't want to impugn the brothers and sister's perspective above, but the zeal and involvement in missions is rampant at IHOP! Like no place I've ever been.)
    We "are" working on developing a richer community life together. :o) (Part of the challenge associated with being a people who come from all over the earth and are connected with so many other, good ministries.)
    I've invested my life in "marrying" the discipline of Biblical intercession with the Matthew 28:19 mandate. I can honestly say, that I've not met another slice of Christian evangelicalism that is more deeply committed to equipping the Bride of Jesus Christ to be prayer-fueled witnesses of Jesus Christ than the people I've known and worked with here at IHOP-KC.
    Our Father's Ephesians 4:2 & 3 blessings to each of you.
    JSB

    January 17, 2014 at 2:18 AM
    • Dawn #

      Fuller is not a solid Christian education. Many false teachers come out of Fuller. The Bride Paradigm, which came out of IHOP is one of the craziest teachings, by the way. A master's does not mean expertise, especially when it came from Fuller!

      January 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM
      • The Father's grace to you. I'm certainly no expert sister. :o) Just a fellow conservative, evangelical who is learning to love & trust Jesus with all of his heart, soul, mind and strength.
        I'm sincerely curious as to what you'd find so objectionable within my own orthodoxy / orthopraxy that would warrant such vehement ostracism?
        jsb

        January 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM
        • I came out of this false movement. I was once blind. I pray that blind eyes be opened to truth. But, I have spent a great deal of time dealing with false teachers. Teachers need to stop accepting the teachings of man and study the Bible. This is a serious problem. By the way, Jesus was far more harsh with false teachers than I am. I seem to remember Him saying something like "brood of vipers" The church is in sad condition. My heart breaks.

          You speak of dysfunctional theology and then speak of your love for IHOP. I have considerable experience with IHOP myself, so I do understand what goes on there.

          I challenge you to seek God earnestly. Ask Him to reveal Truth to you. Ask Him if you are blinded by false doctrine and/or practices. He opened my eyes!

          January 19, 2014 at 1:44 PM
          • Hi Dawn,
            Actually, Jesus rebuked the pharisees not so much for their teaching (Matthew 23:3) as for their judgmental, condemnatory spirits. No indictment intended…
            I have spent my life reading His Word for myself, and have also thank God for many Spirit-filled teachers of the Word. I also thank Him for cultivating a spirit of discernment in me; as it has served me and the churches I've served well over the 20+ years of pastoring; dealing with false teachers & cults.
            This is a serious & respectful question: What should the body of Christ do with the gift of "teaching" if we are to "reject the teachings of man" and "simply study the Bible" ourselves?
            His prevailing grace to you, sister

            FYI – I've been challenged with the identical ("seek God earnestly. Ask Him to reveal Truth to you") hundreds of times by many zealous Latter-Day Saints as I've confronted them with the non-biblical claims of their doctrine. I have invested my life in earnestly seeking God, but arriving at eternal truth requires much much more than human earnestness… :o)

            January 20, 2014 at 3:13 AM
          • Dawn #

            Deception is powerful!

            I used think just like you. But my eyes were powerfully open. I understood many cults, but did not know I was in one. I did not know I was operating and teaching under false doctrine. My degree is in youth ministry by the way.

            I am praying that you see things for what they really are.

            I have one question for you and I ask in sincerity. Will you please earnestly ask the Lord to show you, if there is any merit to what I say? But, you have to do it in sincerity. Would you do that?

            January 20, 2014 at 7:14 AM
          • Hi Dawn,
            :o) I'll continue to pray John 15 for myself – as I have for more than 30 years… I know there's no utopia here. Neither is IHOP a cult, embracing cultic teachings, or cult-like behavior. We're weak, sincere, men & women who are pursuing a vibrant relationship w Jesus by His grace, through prayer, obedience to His Word and (Gal. 2:20) crucified lifestyles. I'm sad that your time in KC was a regrettable experience. For hundreds of thousands around the world, this move of God is opening hearts to His love and radically transforming lives into the image of the Man, Christ Jesus. It's in His Spirit that I bless you in the part of His body in which He's now placed you. His grace & peace to you, Dawn.

            January 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM
          • Dawn #

            I would like to send a personal email. But, I do not know where to locate your email address.

            February 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM
    • The fact that you refuse to go to God with an open mind that you may be under false teaching should speak clearly to everyone reading this. I am always willing to ask if what I believe is false. I have learned this important lesson. There is always a possibility of being under false doctrine.
      You, on the other hand, are completely certain there is not false doctrine at IHOP!

      You do not have to respond again. I am aware that you are certain there is nothing wrong. And you are not willing to go to the Lord with an open mind to be sure that nothing is wrong. The people can clearly see this!

      I would like to remind the people reading of 2 Thes. 2:9-12,

      9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

      10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

      11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

      12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      Everyone must be careful that they are not someone who blindly assumes they are in the truth. When this happens you could be given over to strong delusion, delusion that will lead to hell.

      We must always be willing to allow the Lord to correct false beliefs!!!! Sometimes what we want to hold as true is stronger than what is actually true.

      My response is for the people, because you clearly KNOW you are correct and are not willing to consider otherwise. That is precisely what blind is!

      January 22, 2014 at 4:54 AM
  66. runsontrails #

    Check out John MacArthurs "Strange Fire" book and audio. Free at Grace to You What a clarifying speaker brilliant pastor. My questions are being answered and I have been listening to him daily and working through the bible study which he offers there. How has the church gotten so far from the Reformation? Our Puritan forbears escaped for their lives, people died and were tortured for the faith and I see it has been forgotten in this Universalism, feel good fever. Isn't it disturbing to see people twitch and squirm and sound buzzed? It seems that churches and pastors are on the how do you feel approach. I am a sinner! I am guilty of every sin in the good book and found when My personal church went down the highway to liturgical dancing charismatic prayer rooms and on Easter instead of the Gospel of the Risen Lord, I saw butterflies on sticks and women clapping and drums.I knew something had gone very wrong. But when I asked questions I was told that each person has their path. Mine (path) went out their door. I had gone on a month long mission trip in very primitive Africa. I loved it, but was told not to speak of God or Jesus the preachers not being ordained but called seemed closer in there preaching than the. butterflies at home. I don't regret the mission trip however, I do being led astray and being confused.

    January 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM
    • John MacArthur is just as wrong as the IHOP crew. MacArthur is at least pushing blasphemy. MacArthur believes that ALL Pentecostalism is not of God! Dangerous, dangerous territory to walk. MacArthur denies that tongues and the other gifts of the Spirit are for today. MacArthur's teachings are very unbiblical. Also, he is a five point Calvinist.

      Yes, IHOP and the rest of the New Apostolic Reformation has gone too far. Contemplative prayer, prophecy on demand, trances, so on is New Age and Pagan, but MacArthur is completely wrong as well. The Gifts of the Spirit are for today. People do speak in tongue (although not all tongues come from God). Prophecy is still alive People are healed. But, you better be real careful joining MacArthur's stance!!!!!

      January 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM
  67. Kim #

    I was raised in an Assembly of God Church. I (thought) was saved and lost my salvation about a 100 times during my teenage years and adult years. One day I was sitting in my living room and thought I haven't been to church in a while, so to make myself feel better I went to you tube and put sermons in the search bar. A sermon by Paul Washer came and I for the FIRST TIME in my life heard the gospel. I listened to a total of 6 of his sermons that day. At the end of the day I was on the floor, because I felt I couldn't get low enough. I for the first time in my life understood what had actually occurred on the cross. That Christ, took the full wrath and punishment from God the Father in my place for my sins. I didn't pray a "sinners prayer" my prayer consisted of me saying about a 1000 times I'm sorry, I just never knew. I woke the next day, still so depressed over my own life and what I had caused Him, I prayed more the next day and at some point, I felt light as a feather. I was free, I was finally free. I had come to faith in Christ, for the FIRST TIME, in my life. After this I had to research everything I had ever been taught, including tongues and the whole signs and wonders. When I read the scriptures, not a book, but the Bible in context it was clear. Tongues were languages not babbling gibberish and the reason for the signs at that time were to show the authenticity of Christ. Once Christianity spread and the scriptures were complete, that which was perfect had finally come. I now go to a reformed baptist church, where truth not error is taught. There is no one dancing around and waving arms and running around the building, the worship is respectful as it should because we do not serve a God of Chaos. He does things orderly and with purpose. The purpose is that His Son receives all glory and honor. There is nothing I need to hear from someone who has lost control of their senses, because everything I need to know is in the Bible.

    January 19, 2014 at 12:37 PM
    • Lynne #

      Praise God!

      February 8, 2014 at 3:27 AM
  68. She was blinded and deceived! Deceived people think they have direction from God that they do not have. There was another spirit at work. It is that simple. Se was blind and now she sees. I experienced something very similar. Satan is a master deceiver!

    January 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM
  69. I WAS SHOWN THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS FALSE NONSENSE AS WELL! I PRAY THAT EVERYONE WHO VISITS THIS SITE THAT THEIR EYES BE OPENED! BUT, BEWARE,YOU WILL FACE MORE PERSECUTION FROM THE SO CALLED "CHURCH" THAN YOU EVER HAVE THE WORLD.

    GOD MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO ME THAT MANY ARE DECEIVED.

    2 THES. 2 STATES, 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    MANY ARE BLIND!!!!!

    Healing, prophecy, and tongues are still for today. But, trances, strange manifestations, false teaching (bride paradigm for example) are not supported by Scripture. Deception!

    January 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM
    • Cassi #

      Praise God, Dawn, that He led you out of this false dominionist belief system disguised as a move of the spirit. I too, was a part of this apostate church filled with hatred towards those who choose to question their beliefs, question their "thus says the lord prophesies, which never came true by the way, question their strange manifestations, questions their visions and their dreams, question their books (Theresa of Avilla-a woman mystic possessed by the antichrist spirit), and question some of the big names brought in to teach that were less than moral in their lifestyles.

      When you begin to question and bring everything you see, hear, and take in with all of your senses and bring it into captive against the very Word of God, then all of that so-called "love????" will turn to hatred at the drop of a dime as you do not march to the IHOP beating drum. This is the mark of a cult, plain and simple.

      Please be discerning Body of Christ!

      January 21, 2014 at 11:30 PM
    • xaris4u #

      Dawn, quite seriously: I say this
      a.) because I believe you to be a sister in the Lord.
      b.) out of 30+ years of experience; 7 in Campus Crusade, YWAM, etc and 23 years as a conservative, evangelical, inerrantist, local church pastor.
      It's what I would say to anyone who is treating other sons & daughters of the Kingdom the way I see you rising up against numerous individuals posting on this board.
      The broad-sword criticism you are wielding is DEFINITIVELY NOT in the Spirit of Christ!
      There is an angry, pharisee spirit that is poisoning your heart and has probably also crippled your soul (and your ministry?).
      Jesus shed His blood on the cross for me and for all sinners. Come to the cross sister. Let His blood & His Word speak forgiveness and love over your whole being so that you may be liberated from the curse of this abusive spirit.
      If you're interested, or willing for further dialogue about this you may contact me at my private email address connected to this comment account.
      I pray that His love wins the battle raging in your heart; that your soul feeds on the righteousness, peace & joy that comes through the grace of Jesus Christ. I also pray that you lead many into the same.

      February 3, 2014 at 10:40 AM
      • Lynne #

        Please stop sharing your credentials & experience as you support a cult…it almost reminds me of a Pharisee well trained since youth contending with a John the Baptist with no formal training & in tune with God…no offense intended but it is…

        February 8, 2014 at 3:30 AM
  70. Sarah John #

    I find it interesting and quite puzzling that people who are either familiar or apart of IHOP condemn the writer for expressing her grief, and telling her that she is wrong for her outlook. Instead of seeking to understand and genuinely reaching out to her in love to apologize or resolve issues. Jesus Christ, you Christians drive me nuts.

    What say you of this woman that was MURDERED by a head leader in the "IHOP" camp? Seriously.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/us/twists-in-be

    Keep smoking the crack.

    January 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM
  71. NicieLee #

    IHOP is a dangerous cult. Every parent and college student needs to be aware and research and open their eyes. SCARY STUFF!!!!
    http://nicielee.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/ihop-and

    January 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM
  72. Feli #

    How is this different from any form of Christianity. At least they didn't slaughter everyone.

    February 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM
  73. Chris #

    It really just sounds like you wanted to go to a "popular" church internship but did not want any rules or guidelines. You didnt get to do what you want when you wanted and someone told you what to do. Boo-hoo. All of these points had no real grounds whatsoever. For example, "it only costs me $1500 for living expenses every month but IHOP charged me $4500". Again, Boo HOO! Plus it was $4500 for 6 MONTHS not one month. That means if they charged you $1500 every month as you are currently living, it would have costed $9000 for 6 months but instead you paid $750 per month for 6 months which equals $4500. Why would you manipulate these numbers to make it seem like they were taking advantage of you? Because your heart was not in the right place. IHOPKC didnt draft you, or force you to pay them or even visit. The ways of following Jesus are MUCH more narrow than ANY internship. If you cant follow their rules, it will be a lot more difficult to follow Jesus.

    February 18, 2014 at 8:07 AM
  74. The comments for this post are now closed.

    February 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM
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