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Matt Moore's story: Breaking the bonds of homosexuality

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Today we’re meeting Matt Moore, a 23-year-old blogger who found himself immersed in the homosexual lifestyle along with heavy drinking. But a couple years ago Matt learned who God is, and just how much stronger the transformational love of Jesus Christ is over what Matt thought was an impossible bondage to break.

He first shared his testimony on his blog, and as you can imagine it drew a huge reaction from his friends, the gay community and from people all over the world, many of whom struggle with this stronghold of sexual sin.
We humbly apologize to our listeners and to Matt for the first few minutes of the podcast not being recorded today. 


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We first heard about Matt last week when he wrote an eloquent response to another Matthew–Matthew Vines, a gay man whose viral video about how Christians have misinterpreted the Bible’s stance against homosexuality.  Here’s the Vines video, which sadly has many pastors reconsidering Truth. As if after thousands of years, a 23-year-old gay man can prove God meant something different from what He said in His Word:

Our guest responded to Vines with this post:

God Condones Homosexuality? (Response to Matthew Vines)

Matthew,

Unlike many of the people that disagree with you, I can actually empathize with you. I am just as attracted to the same sex as you are, and like you I did not choose those attractions. I am your age, almost 23, and for the past two years I have also been on a search for truth. My search differs from yours, though. You see, I was already unashamedly accepting of my homosexual feelings and was out to everyone that I knew by the age of 20. Then, in Sept of 2010, God interrupted my life and caused me to take a more massive U-Turn than I could have ever imagined. Over the past two years I have come to know God, study His Word, and understand homosexuality in a way that I never had before…. (Read More)

NEED SUPPORT?

  • Exodus International This network of interdenominational Christian ministries offers support to men and women seeking to overcome same-sex attraction (homosexuality). Exodus maintains a referral list of ministries, churches, and individuals. It also publishes a newsletter and sponsors conferences. Call or write for an introductory packet of information. PO Box 540119, Orlando, FL 32854, phone 407-599-6872.
  • Coming Out Again Ministries A Christian ministry that provides a personal biblical counseling and discipleship program, family support groups, family network placement program, program books, workbooks, CDs, DVDs and other services for free to those who are accepted to the discipleship program.
  • Love in Action  A Christ-centered ministry for those seeking freedom for homosexuality. It offers nonresidential and residential programs.
  • New Direction for Life Ministries  A Christian group in Canada that offers support to those choosing to leave same-sex attraction (homosexuality), and equipping the church to minister effectively and compassionately.
  • One by One  The ex-gay ministry of the Presbyterian church. P.O. Box 10055, Rochester, NY 14610, phone: 716/482-1991.
  • SameSexAttraction.org  An informational Web site that explains the issues about same-sex attraction (homosexuality) and provides alternatives for those who choose not to be gay. Based on traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs. Contains practical helps and resources.
  • Transforming Congregations  A ministry of United Methodist Churches that affirms “the Biblical position that God loves all persons, that homosexual practice is one sin among many and that the Holy Spirit is available to transform all persons – including homosexual persons.” P.O. Box 7146, Penndel, PA 19047, phone: 215/752-9655.  
  • True Freedom Trust A Christian, ex-gay ministry based in the United Kingdom.
  • Where Grace Abounds  A Christian ministry that guides and supports men and women who seek to understand sexuality and relationship, and to inspire all people to know and personally appropriate God’s plan for their sexuality and relationships. Provides help with sexual addiction, pornography, past sexual abuse, homosexuality, sexual identity, false intimacy, boundaries, and codependency.
  • Witness Freedom Ministries, Inc.   African American outreach, evangelism and support to same-sex-attracted men and women.
  • Bridge of Hope A Christian ministry based in Wisconsin whose mission is to equip churches, friends and families to understand and help those struggling with homosexuality by speaking the truth in love.
  • Reclamation Resource Center of Oshkosh, Wis. Real and lasting change is available to those who desire freedom from unwanted homosexual attractions.  There is also help for families and friends of gays, lesbians and bisexuals to reconcile with their loved ones, but not at the expense of their values.  Reclamation Resource Center does this by proclaiming the reality of homosexuality and change to all who will listen and by offering a message of grace concerning homosexuality and Christianity. We also provide information about the ex-gay experience and a compassionate dialogue about homosexuality and the Bible.

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44 Responses to “Matt Moore's story: Breaking the bonds of homosexuality”

  1. Hollie #

    Good interview Matt
    we are proud of you and support you.

    May 30, 2012 at 3:45 AM Reply
  2. writerjerome #

    It's great Matt is living clean and sober this past year and a half since his personal commitment to Christ in the fall of 2010. The interview was interesting, but did not mention Matt's written testimony, which included his admission he still experiences same-sex attractions every day. And he said he does not experience opposite-sex attractions. There are gay Christians who encourage each other to live a celibate life on The Gay Christian Network, but I don't think this interview made it clear that nobody goes from 'gay to straight' as the leadership of Exodus International has been saying (Google Exodus admits gays can't change). Sexual orientation is lifelong and not chosen and not changeable, as every scientific medical association has been saying. However, if Matt feels closer to the Lord by living a celibate life, I wish him every happiness.

    May 30, 2012 at 9:23 AM Reply
    • writerjerome, Matt did indeed make this clear, but unfortunately the first 12 minutes of the interview was not recorded so you did not hear it in the podcast.

      June 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM Reply
    • writerjerome, one short and direct question, why did God Kill 100,000+ people and every animal living in Sodom and Gomorrah if sexual sin was not so bad…if sin isn't so bad then how can we rejoice so much in grace. satan invented sin not God

      February 6, 2013 at 11:15 AM Reply
      • writerJerome #

        Patrick: Where did you get the number 100,000 for an ancient city like Sodom? It is fictitious. And so is your claim about the sin of Sodom being people having a homosexual sexual orientation. Look at what the bible itself says. “For this was the sin of … Sodom, being overfed, arrogant and unconcerned for the poor.”

        August 9, 2014 at 6:28 PM Reply
  3. Mr Davis #

    Matt is living out what the scriptures call act as men or be men.

    Men are supposed to act according to fact. Fact or truth is only found in God's word. Those who are grounded in fact are not easily tossed about by cunning words, which, seek to manipulate our feelings and turn us against the truth of God's word.

    We are called by Christ Jesus to no longer follow after what our flesh craves, which, is entirely against His will and word. This is clearly seen in our depravity. We are warned by the Scriptures to not trust our feelings on things or our dreams. We are cautioned by the scriptures not to think of any man higher than what is written in the scriptures. Christ Himself demonstrated this when He dwelt among us as flesh and blood.

    So it is written our battle is not carnal but spiritual.

    2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled . 7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

    Ephesians 5
    1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient : but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know , that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

    be men!

    May 31, 2012 at 3:14 AM Reply
  4. Elizabeth #

    writerjerome…yet again you along with alot of people do not take the Bible as Truth or Jesus at his word. Or do you believe people can not change? For such a statement…You sadly do not know God.
    "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: fow what I would, that do I not: but that I hate, that do I. I f then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me(that is, in my flesh,) swelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not; but the evil which I would not, I do. Now if I do that I would not; it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law; that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesu Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans Ch. 7 ch 14 – 25

    June 1, 2012 at 3:50 AM Reply
    • writerjerome #

      Elizabeth, Jesus never said a word against gays. And there was no concept or even term for "homosexuality" or "sexual orientation". These are modern medical terms and concepts falsely added in recent years to new translations. The best explanation I have seen of biblical theology on this issue comes from an elderly heterosexual Christian pastor in his actual letter to a lesbian woman who had challenged him on the bible and homosexuality. It is called "The Letter to Louise" and is available at http://www.godmademegay.com
      If you read that letter, you will at least understand how so many Bible-believing Christians today do not condemn gays. Also, you yourself do not take the bible as harshly on other issues, such as divorce and remarriage. For instance, Jesus said anyone who divorces and remarries is living in adultery, but half the people in churches are living that way. And you ignore the bible's teachings on many topics, such as the command in Deuteronomy 22 for a rape victim to be required to marry her rapist. Finally, please remember that it was the pharisees who demanded the scriptures be followed in precise legalistic ways. Jesus took a heart-attitude view: Love God, love your neighbor as yourself. Be careful you love your gay neighbor.

      June 23, 2012 at 8:14 AM Reply
  5. Rose Vosburgh #

    writerjermone…That is just not true. There are plently of ex-gays who are happily married today. And, yes, there are some who have decided to remain unmarried and celibate. It is a matter of what God is calling them to…not as you say, that they are forever bound to their gayness. It is life-long struggle against sin for all of us. Someone who is obese may struggle constantly with the sin of glutony, or someone who had a sin of porn addiction will continue to be tempted from time to time the rest of his life. It is a life long struggle to remain free of those things because, even though we are saved through Christ, sin does still live in the natural man. But we make a choice to die daily to our old sinful lusts and, with God's help, we strive to live holy lives pleasing to Him. None of us will be free from struggles with sin until Jesus finally takes us home. Then the battle against sin will end for good.

    Please enlighten us as to the scientific and medical information you have which proves gayness is genetic and therefore unchangeable. I do know of many who have embraced the gaylife style after exposure to porn, being sexually molested as children, or coming from disfunctional families which have been disrupted by divorce…which says to me it is more a outgrowth of a breakdown of family and morals in our society …and that is putting our children at risk. Sadly, children are at risk more today than ever before.

    Matt, I so appreciate what you are doing and your courage to stand firm. I will keep you in my prayers. May God richly bless your work and ministry for Him.

    June 2, 2012 at 5:16 AM Reply
    • writerjerome #

      Rose, I was in the ex-gay ministries for 22 years. I married a woman after my Christian counselor told me that marriage would make my same-sex attractions diminish over time (the opposite of what every scientific study says). And I have known these "success stories" you point to up close and personal. I agree with the current president of the only global evangelical ex-gay ministry, Alan Chambers, who admits "99.9% of gays cannot change" (Google that quote). Chambers is talking about dedicated Christians who spent years and even decades trying to become straight. Putting a gay in a straight marriage does not make him straight anymore than putting him in a garage makes him a car. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EX-GAY WHO TURNED STRAIGHT. Science and the Christians who work with gays now agree on that. And brain scans show us why. Google "gay brains fetus scans" and see that some people are born gay. And God created some homosexuality among all animal species studied to date. Google "1,500 species have homosexuality".

      June 23, 2012 at 8:18 AM Reply
      • Rose #

        Man was made for woman and woman for man. (Genesis 2) And that makes total sense because their bodies fit together perfectly so that the two truly can and do become 'one flesh'…just as the Bible says.

        I never said that gay men MUST marry to get rid of their gayness. I simply stated that there are many who were gay who are now happily married. I do not believe there is any concrete scientitic evidence proving that gayness is genetic. If there were something really definitive, believe me, it would be broadcast all over the media day and night. But, even if a person were born with a 'gay' tendency, that still does not mean they would be correct in acting upon their feelings to live in that lifestyle. One can remain celibate with the Lord's help. All of creation was affected by the Fall… so, yes, there can be abnormalities prior to birth. People are born every day with all kinds of physical and mental handicaps and, though we empathize with them in their struggles, not even having a handicap is an excuse for violating God's law. What it comes down to is obedience to what God has established. If we seek to obey, despite the natural bent (or even a pre-determined bent) of our flesh, He will be faithful to help us in our quest for holiness. God is perfectly, completely, and even frightening holy. We will all stand before Him one day to give an account. It doesn't matter what I or any one else thinks. It all comes down to this: What does God say on this issue and will you obey it? Adultery in any form is forbidden in God's law. End of discussion.You can't make gay sexual relationships acceptable to God by simply passing laws to make gay marriage legal. In the beginning, back in Genesis, God laid the ground rules for what marriage is supposed to be…one man, one woman= one flesh. So scientific evidence aside, no where in the Scriptures does God sanction gay marriage? No where. The animal kingdom has no relationship to this discussion at all since animals do not know right from wrong and do not have souls…will not stand before God one day to give an account of themselves. There is deliverance in Christ for every sin imaginable to mankind…if we seek it. There is nothing impossible to God. No, He may never bring you to the point where you will be comfortable in marriage to a woman. He may not take those feelings away from you either, though He could. What He will do is help you to live in obedience to Him inspite of them! You don't have to act on your feelings because in Christ you can overcome them so that they do not overcome you. We are more than conquerors through Christ who loved us and gave Himself for us. We need to believe that! There is deliverance available from any sinful behavior…if we want it. Problem is…one has to first admit it IS sin to be delivered from it.

        August 30, 2012 at 5:00 AM Reply
      • Rose Vosburgh #

        Here is an amusing testimony of what God can do….

        Gay lifestyle, drug addict/dealer/Aids…Sent to prison, finds a Bible in the trash…but God brings beauty out of it all.
        http://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2012/03/amazing-te

        Here is how God led this young man back to wholeness…He states:

        "God completely delivered me of my drug addiction within months. But the last thing I was holding onto was my sexuality. As I continued to read the Scriptures, I realized my identity should not be defined by my feelings or by my sexuality. My identity is not gay or homosexual or even heterosexual. But my identity, as a child of the Living God, must be in Jesus Christ alone. You see God says, “ Be holy for I am holy.” I had always thought the opposite of homosexuality was heterosexuality, but I realized that the opposite of homosexuality is holiness. God was telling me don’t focus on your sexuality or feelings but focus on living a life of holiness and living a life of purity. As I began to start living this life of obedience, God began to reveal the plans He had for my life…."

        August 30, 2012 at 5:30 AM Reply
        • Rose Vosburgh #

          Sorry, I meant to say 'amazing' testimony…not 'amusing'…for It IS truly amazing how God works in the lives of people…taking what Satan meant for their destruction and turning it to blessing. Also amazing is the love and strong faith of this young man's mother. She kept up her prayers even when all hope seemed lost.

          August 30, 2012 at 9:22 AM Reply
          • writerJerome #

            The leaders of Exodus International, the largest evangelical ex-gay ministry on our planet, along with the leaders of Love in Action, the oldest ex-gay ministry, admitted nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual. Since then every major evangelical ex-gay ministry in the English speaking world that had decades of experience has shut down forever. The idea that Jesus is the sexual orientation changing business is demonstrably not true. The ex-gays used to number in the tens of thousands. Now they number in the tens, and the ones remaining all have a financial stake in the claim, along with a history of substance abuse and mental health issues.
            I believe the bible. I do not believe bigots. There are millions of Christians who are LGBT and they all still have the same sexual orientation they always had.

            August 9, 2014 at 6:32 PM
  6. Daniel Klembara #

    Amy – here is the apology of co-founders and directors of EXODUS, does this way seem so natural that it was what god have intented whn he created us?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDiYeJ_bsQo

    August 29, 2012 at 6:43 AM Reply
  7. Marco Luxe #

    Best unintentionally ironic quote

    "As if after thousands of years, a 23-year-old gay man can prove God meant something different from what He said in His Word*" *as our leaders interpret it today

    Isn't that exactly what the Pharisees said about Jesus?
    Doesn't that describe the preaching of Jesus?

    February 5, 2013 at 7:12 AM Reply
  8. GreenpointGuy #

    Matt was busted this week cruising for men on Grindr.

    February 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM Reply
  9. He will address it soon. We're praying for you, Matt!

    February 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM Reply
  10. Seriously #

    He was on grindr and its all over the internet. I can't tell you how many countless websites are reporting it. Why? Because you can't change who you are. You may not have been intended to be born gay, but you are. Just like blue eyed or left handed people used to be ostracized simply for how they were born. Why you people encourage those to self hate not only themselves but futher encourage the insane idea that being gay is "wrong" is beyond thought now. C'mon guys. So sad. I am praying for Matt too. Matt – being gay is not wrong. You are who you are. You will realize this one day when you separate yourself form people who encourage you to hate yourself.

    February 6, 2013 at 8:07 AM Reply
    • Seriously, no one is hating here. And what is very interesting to me is that I'm not seeing ANY Christians on any website throwing Matt under the bus. No, in fact they are loving him and praying for his strength and courage. Really, this exposure could not have come at a better time for Matt. We are all well aware that each one of us has the ability to fall into temptation at any time. This isn't about homosexuality or even being "who we are," it is about finding our new identity in Christ. As he has said on his blog, Matt is falling, yes… but falling forward toward Jesus and not away from Him. I don't expect you to agree with the folks here, but at least respect us in our diversity.

      February 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM Reply
    • lyn #

      Seriously, You state that we cannot change who we are; you are referencing homosexuality I assume. In a sense, you are correct. From John 8:34, ' "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.' All sin is a bondage that we cannot free ourselves from, only the power of God can free us in Christ {see John 8:36}.
      As for being born gay, that is a lie. Homosexuality is a choice, as a former lesbian, I understand by God's grace the origin of my sins. Let me take you to James 1:13-14, 'Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.' To say someone is born homosexual is to put the blame on God; let me ask you this, when a man cheats on his wife, is that considered genetic as well? Not according to the Bible. All sexual sin is a choice.
      Romans 1:26 clarifies the lie concerning it being genetic, 'For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature.' Natural means 'produced by nature, inborn'. In other words, at birth God instills in all the 'natural way', which means man with woman and woman with man. It is when we exchange that for what is unnatural that we give ourselves over to our sin of choice. This is done because we suppress God's truth by practicing our unrighteous behavior.

      The Lord Jesus tells us how sin defiles us, and where it originates, from Matthew 15:19-20, ' For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man.' Since we are discussing homosexuality, I will stay on topic. First off, 'heart' is defined in the original Greek as 'the soul or mind, as it is the fountain and seat of the thoughts, passions, desires, appetites, affections, purposes, endeavours'. Moving on to fornications, this comes from the Greek word 'porneia' and is defined by Thayer's Greek Definitions as 'adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.' So from these two verses, we see where this sin originates, in our mind. We also see that sexual sin, including homosexuality and lesbianism defiles, or renders us unclean before a Holy God. We read in Revelation 21:27 that those who defile themselves will not enter God's kingdom, "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

      So you say being a homosexual is not wrong – God declares it to be wrong, a sin { He calls it an abomination in Leviticus 18:22, which means He abhors and detests homosexuality}; you are in error. No true born again believer would ever encourage a sinner to hate themselves, that is a lie just to appease a guilty conscience. I do encourage all who are in bondage to sin to cry out to God for mercy for forgiveness and salvation. Jesus Christ made atonement for sin by giving Himself as a sacrifice, He reconciles sinners back to a Holy God through His finished work on the cross as well as His sinless and righteous life. Christ died to save sinners from God's wrath and from sins' bondage; those God regenerates {John 3:3, 'ye must be born again'} will forsake their sins, they will flee from sin and the power it had over them will be broken because of Christ – " So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. " John 8:36

      To NOT tell this biblical truth to homosexuals is to hate them, to tell them what I've stated here is to love them and desire for God to save them. May the God of heaven and all the earth be gracious to you, may He open your heart to His truth and gift you with eternal life.

      February 7, 2013 at 2:36 AM Reply
      • lyn,
        Can you provide a specific citation for that definition of πορνεία from Thayer? My Thayer lexicon contains nothing even faintly resembling the text you quote.

        July 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM Reply
        • Rose Vosburgh #

          Hello, Dan. I'm not Lyn, but I will take a stab at it. I did some checking and the information below comes from blueletterbible.com.

          Porneia: Thayers defines it as 'illicit sexual intercourse in general'. Root word of porneia is porneuō. The definition in Thayers for that is 1) to prostitute one's body to the lust of another; 2) give oneself of unlawful sexual intercourse, to commit fornication.

          But how do we define 'Illicit sexual intercourse (or fornication)'? As we read through the Bible (not just individual verses), we see that it is any sexual relationship outside of the marriage instituted by God…whether it be heterosexual sex, homosexual, or sex with animals. In God's sight, all of those are against His created order and are an abomination to Him. God created Adam and Eve and said that the 'two shall become one'. And indeed, He designed their physical bodies to fit together perfectly for sexual relations… BUT He intended it for the marriage relationship only… between one man and one woman. Anything outside of marriage between a man and a woman=porneia,fornication. Same sex unions are never sanctioned or praised by God anywhere in the Bible. Romans 1:24-28 seems very clear:

          Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves

          Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

          For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

          And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

          July 11, 2013 at 3:48 PM Reply
          • lyn #

            Rose, you will also find this on blueletterbible concerning πορνεία

            Outline of Biblical Usage
            illicit sexual intercourse
            adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
            sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
            sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
            metaph. the worship of idols
            of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

            From – http://v3.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexico

            July 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM
        • lyn #

          Dan, My definition for πορνεία is from the 1886,1889 edition of Thayer's Greek Definitions downloadable from e-sword.net…

          Here is the complete defintion – πορνεία
          porneia
          Thayer Definition:
          1) illicit sexual intercourse
          1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
          1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
          1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mar_10:11,Mar_10:12
          2) metaphorically the worship of idols
          2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
          Part of Speech: noun feminine
          A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4203
          Citing in TDNT: 6:579, 918

          July 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM Reply
  11. Seriously #

    I can only say I understand where you are drawing you conclusions. But I can also say that it is a negative understanding. Let me help you understand why the gay community is responding harshly. Because Mr. Moore speaks to audiences as young as children and tells them that being gay is about being drunk, promiscuous, and living a life full of sin. Now these kids will grow to self hate thinking they are different and unloved for who they are by their peers, and grow to ACT (keyword) like they aren't gay. Who in turn will pass the same message. Its a demoralizing cycle. Then, as he confirmed several times on his blog, being absolved of homosexuality he gets on a gay social app, with a FACE picture, and opens up conversations with guys. You guys claim it is b/c he had a moment of weakness and he is falling from grace. I see it as him having a moment of lucidity and being calm. And for those few moments, days, he felt like he belonged. As far as Christians praying for his strength and courage? For what? For him to continue to act like he isn't gay. To live a life without love and companionship? I'm a Christian. I am gay. I love God and pray to him every night. I am a sinner, and accept the fact that I sin everyday. We all fall short of the glory of God. Please don't judge other people b/c they sin differently from you.

    February 6, 2013 at 2:33 PM Reply
  12. No one is judging you, but we are called to compare what is being said and taught with biblical truth. This is discernment. You as a Christian have made some claims that do not align with the Bible. Do we live for ourselves and our desires, or pick up our cross and follow Him?

    February 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM Reply
  13. Seriously #

    Everybody, everyday, makes and follows through with decisions that don't align with the Bible. Knowingly or without knowledge. To judge someone b/c they fall short of the Glory of God and not judge ourselves is where the argument here is incredibly flawed. I reply not to change you mind, but to help you understand that people who are gay didn't make the choice to be gay. It's a choice that was predetermined for us. Now don't get me wrong, I don't claim God "wanted" me to gay. Just as I don't think God wanted some people born with both sexual genitalia, or more than two chromosomes, or diabetic, or with a heart that is outside the body, or connected to their twin, but that is the card that is handed to them, just as that is the card that is handed to us. It is who we are, and who we will always be. God will love me and absolve me of all my sins b/c his Son died to strengthen me, to Save me! And to that I am eternally thankful, although I don't think I deserve it. But it is exactly me who he came to save. I hope that one day, all Christians will love and accept all differences.

    February 6, 2013 at 3:02 PM Reply
    • lyn #

      The Lord Jesus Christ did NOT die so you could continue blatantly sinning against Him! {Rom 6:1-2} What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!}

      Look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 'Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you." First of all, notice that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God; also, notice what Paul states in verse 11, 'such WERE some of you' – he's talking about what is known as repentance, or a changing of the mind that leads to a changed life and way of living, a forsaking or fleeing from sin. Paul is addressing a former way of life that is not more because the power of God has freed the sinner from sins' bondage, sin is no longer the master over the born again believer.
      The word of God is clear, the sin of men with men and women with women is an abomination to a God who is holy, jpure, undefiled and cannot even look upon sin, "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity." Habakkuk 1:13

      If you continue on in your sin, if you fail to even acknowledge you are sinning against God, you will die in your sins and face eternal wrath. If you think homosexuality is not a sinful choice, you are delusioned and deceived. The Lord Jesus Christ repeatedly commands sinners to repent, to turn away from sin, not revel in it or excuse it. May God show you great mercy.

      February 7, 2013 at 2:59 AM Reply
  14. Lyn,
    Thanks for that information. That definition is decidely NOT from Thayer's lexicon. I don't fault you for this mistake, because I see it's bandied about all over the internet. I even went so far as to install e-sword and the Thayer module and, while it matches what you posted, it certainly doesn't match what actually appears in the lexicon!

    You can view the actual Thayer entry here, starting at the very bottom of page 531 and continuing on to page 532: http://www.archive.org/stream/greekenglishlexi00g

    July 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM Reply
  15. Rose,
    Thanks…but see my response to Lyn below. While homosexual activity may be in the very broad semantic range of πορνεία by means of logicl inference, it is decidely NOT part of its direct meaning, so to quote a dubious lexical entry equating πορνεία directly with homosexuality is at best misleading and unhelpful.

    July 12, 2013 at 1:49 AM Reply
  16. I don't know where Blue Letter Bible's "Outline of Biblical Usage" comes from, but below that they conveniently supply the actual lexical entry from Thayer, which is decidedly different than their "Outline."
    (http://v3.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4202&t=KJV)

    July 12, 2013 at 2:42 AM Reply
  17. lyn #

    Dan,

    True, there seems to be some sort of discrepancy concerning Thayer's definitions, but there certainly is not any confusion in God's word on sexual immorality and it being a sin. So, when it's all said and done, the error and confusion concerning Thayer's really is irrelevant, for the word of God certainly is not confusing when speaking of the sin of fornication.
    It cannot be denied that all sex outside the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman {Genesis 2:24} is forbidden and is sin. So, when the Lord stated in Matthew 15:19 fornication defiles, He was speaking of all sexual immorality outside marriage. Looking briefly at Hebrews 13:4, we find this, 'Let marriage be had in honour among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.' Since marriage was established in Genesis 2:24 between one man and one woman, it is clear that anything other than that is defiling. Any sex with anyone/thing other than a husband and his wife is sin, defiling, forbidden.

    I appreciate the information you sent. It is erroneous to state Thayer's defines fornications in the way previously stated, but it is not erroneous to state the Bible condemns all sex outside marriage.

    July 12, 2013 at 4:01 AM Reply
  18. Rose Vosburgh #

    Absolutely. Just because Thayer doesn't specifically mention homosexuality by name does not mean it is not included in the definition of porneia, ‘illicit sexual intercourse in general’. All you have to do is read the Bible to find out what God considers illicit sex.. It is clearly spelled out in seveal places and especially in the verses I quoted in Romans. And as I said before, there are no passages anywhere that santion or condon homosexual relationships. None.

    July 12, 2013 at 3:50 PM Reply
    • Gigi Gee #

      Thayer couldn't mention homosexuality by name because the word didn't exist until 1892. After his translations were published. To insinuate that "illicit sexual intercourse" HAD TO MEAN homosexuality is your bias, nothing more. As I said above in response to you, same-sex unions [you said same-sex unions above, not homosexual relationships] were never sanctioned or praised anywhere in the bible because they didn’t exist then. The ancients who wrote the bible had no understanding of caring, committed same-sex couples.

      December 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM Reply
      • lyn #

        Gigi gee,

        There is no such thing as a caring, committed homosexual relationship, why? Because these sexual perversions are based on lust, not love. Look at Romans 1:27, 'and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.'

        A deeper biblical explanation of the lust that drives homosexuality can be found at iamhis-lyn.blogspot DOT com/2013/06/dazed-and-confused DOT html as well as amhis-lyn DOT blogspot.com/2012/04/so-homosexuality-isnt-sin-oh-really DOT html
        There is also an excellent teaching on homosexuality at iamhis-lyn DOT blogspot.com/2013/06/is-homosexuality-perversion-or DOT html

        Feel free to read/listen to what I have provided and comment there if you like.

        December 2, 2013 at 7:09 AM Reply
  19. Gigi Gee #

    Ezekiel 16:49 — ‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." Sodomites — the residents of the City of Sodom — were arrogant, self-serving gluttons who ignored those who were less fortunate than they. In continuing to doing so and refusing to change their ways, God destroyed them and everyone else like them in the city. This parable has nothing to do with gay people.

    December 2, 2013 at 5:57 AM Reply
    • lyn #

      Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication, and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

      'gone after strange flesh' – "or "other flesh"; meaning not other women besides their own wives, but men; and designs that detestable and unnatural sin, which, from these people, is called sodomy to this day; and which is an exceeding great sin, contrary to the light of nature and law of God, dishonourable to human nature, and scandalous to a nation and people" – John Gill

      The end result of the downward spiral and gross sins of Sodom and Gomorrah is clearly stated in Jude, 'suffering the punishment of eternal fire'; take note also from Jude and heed the warning, ' set forth as an example'.

      December 2, 2013 at 7:51 AM Reply
  20. Gigi Gee #

    If "ex-gays" were real, Exodus International wouldn't have closed and apologized to all they'd harmed over the years. They admitted that change from gay-to-straight IS NOT POSSIBLE. No one believes that it's possible, not even those pretending to be "ex-gay." What is true though is this — so-called "reparative therapy" is harmful and dangerous and can cause some people to commit suicide.

    December 2, 2013 at 6:00 AM Reply
  21. Gigi Gee #

    lyn — Since the word "homosexual" didn't appear until 1892 in the English translation of Krafft-Ebing's "Psychopathia Sexualis," It's disingenuous of you to suggest that Thayer's 1889 edition translated the word πορνεία to mean homosexuality. If it does appear in the e-sword version of Thayer’s Greek Definitions then it's incorrect. Strong's translation of the word πορνεία is as follows:

    porneia: fornication
    Original Word: πορνεία, ας, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: porneia
    Phonetic Spelling: (por-ni'-ah)
    Short Definition: fornication, idolatry
    Definition: fornication, whoredom; met: idolatry.

    December 2, 2013 at 6:23 AM Reply
  22. Gigi Gee #

    Let's clarify a few things, shall we? Same-sex unions were never sanctioned or praised anywhere in the bible because they didn't exist in the 1st Century. It's not until very recently that we've come to understand loving, caring, same-sex relationships as they exist today. The fact that Jesus never said ANYTHING about homosexuality however speaks volumes. He did talk a great deal about poverty and the poor. More than 2,000 times in the Bible actually. Yet what do we hear most from Christians today? HOMOSEXUALS ARE AN ABOMINATION. They conveniently ignore the passages that call out their abominable behavior. Proverbs 6:16-19 "There are six things which the LORD hates; yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers." Why do we so harshly judge the sin of others when we ourselves are sinners? God tells us that this is bad as well — Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

    In reference to Romans 1:24-28, Paul was talking about idolaters, not homosexuals. The "men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another" bit refers to heterosexual men and women who were drunk and drugged beyond belief, involved in great orgies where they gave up their "natural" urges for ones that were "unnatural" FOR THEM. Nothing to do with gay people. For gay people, same-sex attractions ARE normal.

    December 2, 2013 at 6:40 AM Reply
  23. lyn #

    Gigi Gee,

    I have done research into the origin of the word 'homosexual' which you are welcome to read and comment on at iamhis-lyn.blogspot DOT com/2013/06/the-origin-of-phrase-homosexual DOT html

    You may be interested to read these as well – iamhis-lyn.blogspot DOT com/2012/04/what-does-arsenokoites-really-mean DOT html

    iamhis-lyn.blogspot DOT com/2013/03/men-with-men DOT html

    The word of God does indeed speak out against 'men with men'; for example, in Lev. 18:22 as well as 20:13.
    We also have Romans 1:26-27, where we see the natural way being exchanged for that which is unnatural, 'men with men'. The Lord Jesus stated in Matthew 15:19 what comes 'out of the heart' of man and causes defilement, 'For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, railings'. The word 'fornications' is from the Greek word 'porneia' which, as you correctly defined by Strongs, means 'fornication, whoredom'. However, look at the root word of porneia, 'porneuō', you get a clearer understanding of the meaning and context of the text – 'From G4204; to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: – commit (fornication).'

    All sex outside of the covenant of marriage defined by God from Genesis 2:24, 'Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh' is sin. There is no denying or debating this biblical truth. Same sex sex, whether you define it as homosexuality or lesbianism, is strictly forbidden by God.

    December 2, 2013 at 6:59 AM Reply
  24. lyn #

    Gigi Gee,

    I feel it is necessary to re-post a comment of mine for your benefit…

    "True, there seems to be some sort of discrepancy concerning Thayer’s definitions, but there certainly is not any confusion in God’s word on sexual immorality and it being a sin. So, when it’s all said and done, the error and confusion concerning Thayer’s really is irrelevant, for the word of God certainly is not confusing when speaking of the sin of fornication.
    It cannot be denied that all sex outside the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman {Genesis 2:24} is forbidden and is sin. So, when the Lord stated in Matthew 15:19 fornication defiles, He was speaking of all sexual immorality outside marriage. Looking briefly at Hebrews 13:4, we find this, ‘Let marriage be had in honour among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.’ Since marriage was established in Genesis 2:24 between one man and one woman, it is clear that anything other than that is defiling. Any sex with anyone/thing other than a husband and his wife is sin, defiling, forbidden."

    I pray God will bring you to a right understanding of what His word states.

    December 2, 2013 at 7:20 AM Reply
  25. K. Riley #

    We are born in sin and shaped in iniquity, but the Truth is we have a savior who desperately wants to deliver us from our sinful natures. I am a man, and I have experienced ups and downs with my struggle to stay away from a strong desire to have sex with men. But in my heart, I truly believe that these feelings are wrong and are not God's will for my life. I am praying, studying and hoping that the Holy Spirit empowers me to completely and finally walk away from my own lusts.

    June 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM Reply

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