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Harbinger author Johnathan Cahn answers questions

I am sharing with you an email I received today from Jonathan Cahn, author of  The Harbinger, The Ancient Mystery that Holds The Secret Of America’s Future.  Rabbi Cahn asked that he be able to answer the questions and concerns I reported yesterday, in an article titled, What To Make of the Harbinger Mystery I’ve posted his email in its entirety:

Rabbi Jonathan Cahn:

When any book or message, which appears outside the box, as does The Harbinger becomes as popular a bestseller as it has becomes – it invites criticism. The Harbinger has been spreading across the nation – and, of course, criticism has come  That doesn’t make the criticism valid – and in this case, such criticism has gotten more and more bizarre as time goes on.  I will be glad to answer it:

Question: Why infer that God is giving extra-biblical revelation, when the Bible was given once and for all to the saints?

Answer: The Harbinger doesn’t state that God is giving extra-biblical revelation  – unless one believes that God is unable to lead us, correct us, or warn us – The Harbinger does say that God is able to do all that, individually, and nationally.  If God can judge a nation, He can also warn a nation. To say otherwise, I would say is unbiblical.

Concern: Israel is not America, and God did not make a covenant with us, nor are we the apple of His eye.

Answer: The Harbinger never says Israel is America or that God made a covenant with us.  It does say that the Puritans, America’s founders established America after the pattern of ancient Israel and saw themselves in covenant with God – But it is never said that God made a covenant with America.  Whether He has honored their prayers and consecration is left an open question.

Question: Is the publisher pronouncing Rabbi Cahn a foretelling prophet?

Answer: I don’t know what the publisher is pronouncing with regard to that, but the issue is not what the publisher says, but what The Harbinger reveals.

Question: What else has the publisher put out there?

Answer:  Not very relevant.  A book is not written by a publisher, but by its author.

Question: Does Rabbi Cahn draw from extra-biblical, mystical writings as his sources?

Answer:  No.  I only draw on one source for spiritual truth – the Bible. I only believe the Bible is the Word of God.  One may use quotes in writing from a variety of sources – but this is not to be confused with relying on any source for spiritual truth – apart from the Bible.

Question: One critic said that since The Harbinger speaks of mysteries being revealed – does this have to do with Gnostic beliefs?

Answer:  A very confused view.  Unless we want to call the apostle Paul a Gnostic, since he also spoke of mysteries.  It’s precisely the opposite.  The Gnostics believed in knowledge that was to be kept secret, to stay a mystery.  God is the One who reveals mysteries.  The Harbinger does likewise – it reveals mysteries.

If there are no mysteries, then we know everything there is to know.  But we don’t.  And God, by His Spirit, is to lead us to continual insight, and show us things we don’t yet know.  That’s the opposite of Gnosticism.

Question:  It is stated that Jonathan Cahn “says that Zohar, an extrabiblical, mystical source from which the occultic and mystical Kabbalah is derived, greatly influenced his writing.

Answer:  Unfortunately this kind of statements represents some of the extreme and bizarre opposition to The Harbinger – It is an extreme false accusation.

No. I have never in my life said that the Zohar has greatly influenced my writing – nor has it ever.  What this accusation is taken from and twisted out of recognition from – Is that I have in some special teachings shared quotes found in the rabbinic writings which unwittingly bear witness of the truth of the Gospel – things that most Jewish people have no idea of – such as Isaiah 53 being about the Messiah, or God being Three in One, Messiah dying for our sins, or a connection made between the mercy of God and the word “Golgotha.”  These things can be used to share the Gospel.  This has been a standard method of apologetics and evangelism for ages.  Rabbinical writings, mystical or otherwise, have been quoted for ages, in Bible commentaries, apologetics, works such as The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, etc. To take this and then present it as if I or any Christian pastor or scholar is a secret follower of such things because they used a quote to bear witness of the Gospel is, as, one minister friend of mine would say – shameful at best. It should not have even appeared in print.

The apostle Paul actually quoted from a pagan hymn to Zeus in order to share the truth of the Gospel at Mars Hill.  If we were to then to accuse him of being into Zeus worship, or that pagan writings were behind the epistles, or accuse of him of being secretly pagan – I would think we would need to repent.  It’s called bearing false witness.

Question: Does The Harbinger say that Isaiah is prophesying of America

Answer:  No. It says Isaiah is prophesying of Israel – But that the same biblical template, pattern, and progression of judgment that took place in the last days of Israel, is now again manifesting in America.

Question: Why were the revelations of The Harbinger presented in the form of a narrative?

Answer:  The Harbinger contains many and deep revelations – By putting it into a narrative, it makes it very easy to read and understand – That the word would go out to as many people as possible.

Question:  What is The Harbinger actually saying?

Answer:   Very simple.  God judges nations.  God warns of judgment.  God is able to warn a nation of judgment in a way that is consistent with that which is found in the Bible.  And that now the same biblical pattern, progression, and signs of national judgment that appeared in the last days of ancient Israel, are now manifesting to America.  And that these signs are appearing in uncanny, eerily precise manifestations.

The Harbinger is not only the revealing of these biblical mysteries or connections, but is a call to repentance, salvation, and revival.

Question: What has the overall response been? 

Answer:  The Harbinger has overwhelmingly been endorsed, praised, recommended, and heralded throughout the evangelical world, and across the denominational spectrum, from Baptist to Charismatic, from Pat Boone to Pat Robertson, from pastors, to ministry leaders, to Bible teachers and deans of theological seminaries, people who obviously know the Bible and proper biblical hermeneutics. People are getting saved, coming to repentance, starting prayer groups and movements, being convicted of holiness.

Question: What do you think the opposition comes from?

Answer:  There are ministries that set themselves look for error.  This can provide a useful and important service for the body.  But the problem is the downside – that the propensity to raise the sword, to quickly reject, to seek to find error (even when it’s not there) and to attack almost reflexively can become as much an error, a problem, and a danger as those who too readily accept teachings without questioning.  The Harbinger is unique and doesn’t have much of a precedent – It appears as something very much out of the box. And then there’s the spiritual realm.  If something is being used to affect many for revival, and repentance, and breakthrough, we have to expect that there will be opposition and misunderstanding, even by those meaning well.

The claims as even seen here, have grown increasingly bizarre and removed from the reality of The Harbinger.  It’s a good sign.  For that reason alone it would argue that something powerful is happening here

Question: Why do you think The Harbinger has become so phenomenally successful?

Answer:  I have no doubt that it’s because the message is from the Lord.  Before it even came out, I knew it would go forth to touch many lives because of it.  It reveals things that believers have felt in their hearts but without the evidence to back it up.  It reveals a biblical mystery of specific template of judgment that is now playing out in America, before our eyes, lying behind everything from 9/11 to the crash of Wall Street, biblical harbingers of judgment appearing in New York City, Washington, D.C.,  involving some of the highest of American leaders, the replaying of an ancient drama of judgment, even giving exact dates.  People have described it in such terms as “stunning,” “mind blowing,” and “life changing.”  And it is not only that, but that it is a call for repentance, revival, and salvation.

For all that, and even for the kind of opposition it’s gotten alone, the reader owes it to himself or herself to read it and see if this is, what most who have read it, believe it is, an urgent word that is given for such a time as this.

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161 Responses to “Harbinger author Johnathan Cahn answers questions”

  1. Holly G. #

    Wow… seems like avoidance, twisting and the worst? Comparing himself with Paul and his book to equal status with God….

    Cahn slying says, The Harbinger doesn’t STATE that God is giving extra-biblical revelation.

    I DON'T KNOW what the publisher is pronouncing with regard to that, (CAHN A FORETELLING PROPHET) but the issue is not what the publisher says, but what The Harbinger reveals.

    REALLY?? ANY AUTHOR HAS SAY SO ABOUT EVERY WORD THAT GOES ON THE COVER, HE HAD TO APPROVE IT.

    IF SOMEONE CALLS ME A PROPHET, I'M GOING TO EMPHATICALLY INSIST, "HOLD UP RIGHT THERE, TAKE THAT OFF NOW"!!!

    I only draw on one source for spiritual truth – the Bible. One may use quotes in writing from a variety of sources…SO IT'S O.K. TO QUOTE THE FALSE….? IS THAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IN CHURCH AS PASTOR? "USE QUOTES" FROM THE KABBALAH'S ZOHAR???? LIKEN GOLGATHA TO A gOD GULGATHA?

    HE COMPARES HIMSELF TO PAUL? AN INSPIRED WRITER OF GOD'S WORD?
    One critic said that since The Harbinger speaks of mysteries being revealed – does this have to do with Gnostic beliefs?

    Answer: A very confused view. Unless we want to call the apostle Paul a Gnostic, since he also spoke of mysteries. It’s precisely the opposite. The Gnostics believed in knowledge that was to be kept secret, to stay a mystery.

    God is the One who reveals mysteries. THE HARBINGER LIKEWISE – it REVEALS MYSTERIES.
    (wow… he just compared his book to God)

    If there are no mysteries, then we know everything there is to know. But we don’t. (THERE IS ONE PLACE TO FIND WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, HE MANIPULATES HERE BY SUGGESTING IF WE DON'T BELIEVE HIS MYSTERIES REVEALED, THEN WE ARE ASSUMING WE KNOW EVERYTHING…) And God, by His Spirit, is to lead us to continual insight, and show us things we don’t yet know. That’s the opposite of Gnosticism.
    (The Spirit leads us into all truth. And we learn things we don't know Only if we RIGHTLY divide HIS WORD Rabbi!)

    CAHN SAYS: The Harbinger has overwhelmingly been endorsed, praised, recommended, and heralded throughout the evangelical world, and across the denominational spectrum….

    Woe to you when all men speak well of you, For so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 6:26

    June 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM
    • Carole #

      You have done exactly what you are accusing Johnathon Cahn of doing. You are manipulating his words and twisting the original meaning. I am sorry you have such a low opinion of something that has helped many people. There is nothing, I repeat nothing, in the book that is perverted. Only those who choose to do so have perverted the actual meaning themselves. The book is very believable…some of the critics are the ones whose views are unbelievable.

      November 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM
    • Betty T. Parker #

      Within the first few pages I saw America as exchanging our moral's from the 50's and each year there after. We've only to see the mast murder of infants this country has committed. In old testament as well as Revalation. I have studied Revalations since 11 years old. This man is not far from what other prophet's and pastors, John Hagee being the best of this present time.
      Of course I've seen and heard others through the years. The down fall of this country will happen. The sins of old are now the same thing only in a magnitude that staggers the mind. Lets face it, Americans have turned their back on GOD, No matter what "you reap what you sow". NO way around it. Whether it's a Harbringer ( Warning) what will happen or the Revelations Last days, face it. Remember the Roman empire. It fell they had no one to blame but themselves.
      I totally believe this generation will see the coming of the CHRIST.

      March 3, 2013 at 8:15 AM
    • T-ann #

      Amen Sister. Something smelled fishy in the very first paragraph of this book when he suggested The U S of A had a covenant relationship with Adonai.

      Next, he was asked to speak at the big O's inaugural bfast and to speak "as long as he wanted," which he said in an interview with Gary Stearman, had never happened before. This was the night after lady gaga sang, "Judas is the demon I cling to" at big O's masquerade party. Uh huh.

      Something doesn't sound right, feel right or look right. I believe he is a CIA plant, this is his disinfo job and his role in the "coming great deception" leading us to the "one world religion" of the antichrist. Just watch-what I call here, "the harbinger theory", will be used in some way when the a-christ comes to town. God bless everyone. Please be like watchman, stay awake and aware!

      July 1, 2013 at 2:37 PM
  2. Deb #

    Bottom line: time will tell what the truth of the matter is. God will reveal whether true or false. I am tending to think that there are enough "red flags" to be wary of this book. I think we can see enough other signs of America being abandoned by God to really need this information even IF true. I think the nation of America would have to do a whole LOT of repenting to be saved as a nation.I don't realy see this book as relevant.

    June 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM
    • Annette #

      Man oh man are people as blind and so stupidly self rightious that when the FACTS and TRUTH is put before their very eyes to see the light of day…. they just go completely brain-dead. Well as for their excuse they want to play blame on anything but themselves. Sadly ALL of America will pay the price & althought we all already are in a clear and present danger, satan continues to block the unbeliever from seeing the truth. He is the ultimate deceiver of truth. People wake up and see what you see and simply compare what the bible tells you. God is showing you who He is and what he has done in the past so… you will see the truth of who his is and who we are to HIM and what will happen to us if we continue to turn our backs on him. He will allow us to fall. How hard is it to believe what you see what is happening here and happened before us?
      The answer is to except God as your creator and Jesus Christ As Your Lord and Savior, Repent from evil and bring The leader's that have the rightious Godly moral values to lead our country as the Godly Nation we were designed to be in the first place. Try it and see what changes will come about and if its Good then You will know the Truth! What have you got to lose for doing what is GOOD and RIGHT should be easier and less painful of where our future is headed if you dont. Even if you dont know God, it may be just the chance to change your life for the good and be free from a very painful end! One that is everlasting.

      November 5, 2012 at 3:40 AM
      • Holly G. #

        Annette, calling others blind because they don't agree that Cahn is a prophet, I'm not sure I see any Biblical basis. I do understand that God does do things many times in similar fashions, however, that doesn't mean we are to misappropriate scripture written for Israel, and pretend like somehow America had a covenant with God.

        Believers have a covenant with God, and as for righteous godly leaders, I believe that time has long since passed.

        Rabbi Cahn may be gifted, but I do not agree that this "teaching" is coming from the Lord. Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.

        God is our protector, if we are His. What we need to be sharing with people is the gospel. THAT is what will change people in the long run, and make a difference. This book… no….

        November 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM
      • Carole #

        I agree. Very well put!

        November 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM
  3. Mr Davis #

    Sarah's daughters,

    No man is without error save Christ and Christ alone so don't expect any author to be perfect. You are already going somewhere other than the Word of God to gain some insight, some knowledge and now you fault him for what? being a sinful man. What do we need to define what that means?

    Gary's message is better than most out there these days. Few preach repentance. Few warn of the coming doom and make no mistake doom is coming but few will recognize it. Few point anymore to the Cross upon which our Savior bore our sins in His own flesh and put them to death there. Therefore I commend him on his effort.

    Most will preach peace peace and prosperity in the things of this world and that of course of your own making by your own efforts and if you fail its your own fault or in some cases it's because there is some spirit of unbelief among you that you must purge before you will experience all of God's blessings. It is in this way the murder of born again believers in Christ Jesus will be justified. Yes the one doing the killing will see themselves doing God a service and ridding the earth of you.

    But this is the road you were called to walk isn't it? If the world hated me they will hate you also. Pick up your Cross and follow me he says. Yes pick up that foolish notion that God would actually become a man in every way except without sin and die for you in your place and take God's wrath upon himself on your behalf. Yes walk that path. Proclaim it, live it, carry about the dying of the Lord Jesus in your very flesh that you would no longer live for the flesh lusting after the things of this world but rather live for the Glory of God in submission to the Whole Gospel of Christ Jesus.

    You know there is none good, no not one for only God Himself is good. Only one is good, Only One, the only Begotten of the Father full of truth and grace and Is Truth. For The Word had become Deed, and we were redeemed and this not for our sakes but for His Glory, for His name's sake. We should let this rule us and trust not our own feelings and instead fill our speech with grace seasoned with salt. What will your anger accomplish? Is this what fills your heart? I don't say this because I don't know, I do know for it fills my heart too. But it is God's work so pray to God pray God would open our eyes to the truth of what we are and what we are doing and what He had to do because of that and also that He would change our hearts and that we would repent. We so desperately need to repent. How can we look left and right when we must look up to heaven to the one we ourselves will have to give an account.

    God help us.

    July 2, 2012 at 5:13 AM
  4. Mary Ellen DeBord #

    Read John 7:40-44

    Some of the people thought Christ was a prophet. Others thought he was the Christ.
    Still others thought that because he came from Galilee that he could not have descended from David or have come from Bethlehem. So there was a division among the people. Those who knew the truth that he was born in Bethlehem and was of the house of David could discern that he was the Christ. We must know the Word and look at the facts and dates to see the revelation of God. I thank Rabbi Cahn for revealing to us what was right before our very eyes.

    July 19, 2012 at 2:42 AM
    • Annette #

      You clearly got it, Rabbi/Pastor Cahn is blessed with much wisdom and the gift of teaching. God works thru people that allow him in their lives & HE protects those who obey and follow his Commandments.

      November 5, 2012 at 4:01 AM
    • Holly G. #

      Wow… the Bible and the Holy Spirit is to be what reveals the truth to you, the Word of God is truth, not Mr. Cahn. Heb 5:12-14

      November 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM
  5. Holly G. #

    Mary Ellen – The Bible has revealed to us by patterns of God's character towards nations who are disobedient, towards individuals who are disobedient, towards murderous and idolatrous people, what is in store for them.

    This is not a new mystery revealed. It is a mystery however. A mystery that people do not test the spirits as we are told, and do not prove all things. Parallels can be made with a lot of passages in God's Word, along with the parallels Jonathan makes with the Zohar (Kabballah), regarding Gulgata (demonic god) and Golgatha. We can parallels in life, and in all sorts of books, but this does not make them a prophecy from God.

    Are you now suggesting Rabbi Cahn is a prophet? If so, test his prophecies, he must be 100% correct.

    July 19, 2012 at 6:44 AM
    • LEGNA #

      If you really want to know who Jonathan Cahn is, and what source drives his theological mystical views, I strongly urge you to log onto the following website:
      deceptioninthechurch.com. On the home page, click on the book reviews tab.
      On the next page, click on the letter "H". When you reach the section labled "H"
      you will see various articles on the Harbinger. Click on the article 'THE ZOHAR, THE KABBALAH, & THE HARBINGER BY BERIT KJOS. IN CAHN'S OWN WORDS, Mr. Kjos presents DIRECT, INDISPUTABLE, EVIDENCE providing the reader insight into Cahn's Mystical Theology. MAKE SURE YOU LISTEN TO THE VIDEO "THE ZOHAR SPEAKS". This video clip of 6:41 secs is the SMOKING GUN that Mr. Cahn does not want the world to see. It is not an OPTICAL ILLUSION BECAUSE THE LENS OF A CAMERA DON'T LIE.
      The Harbinger is not based on SOUND ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY.
      It is a blend of mysticism camouflaged with sciptural passages. If you doubt me, then read it for yourself from the book The Harbinger pages 240 & 242.

      In addition to the above, read a letter written to THE BEREAN CALL by a former associate pastor of Cahn. His name is Mr. Robert Scarpati. He shares some very intricate details regarding Cahn's persona. Just click on his name.

      Anyone who believes that the Harbinger's theology is based SOLELY on the INERRANT WORD OF GOD IS BEING SUBJECTED TO A GREAT DELUSION. I should know. I was a former member of Beth Israel. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MINISTRY BASHING. This is exposing the fact that Jonathan Cahn for many years has been dabbling with cultic, mystical, Hebrew writings such as the Zohar, which has a direct relationship with Kabbalah, to supplement or substantiate his teachings and sermons. THIS IS THE EQUIVALENT TODAY OF CHRISTIANS WHO ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET BIBLICAL PROPHECIES WITH THE QUATRAINS OF NOSTRADAMUS!
      I was there many years ago when he preached that sermon, The Zohar Speaks. I was present the night when he said, two times, to the congregation that he believed the Holy Spirit led one of the Rabbinical Sages (Rabbi Simeon Bar Yochi) to write the contents contained within the Zohar which he was preaching about. In other words, that is the same as saying the Zohar and its contents were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit!

      This book, The Harbinger, is being endorsed by such ministries as The 700 Club, Sid Roth, Jim Baker and the entire Messianic movement just to name a few. My dear God, these people must be crazy. Even traditional Jews in Judaism today place no importance on these ancient writings. Why? Because they consider them to be heretical in nature. And the church of Christ is embracing this book The Harbinger with open arms.

      Everything that is being shared with you by me ultimately led to my resignation as a member of Beth Israel. If you choose to ignore what I have shared, feel free to do so at your own peril.

      July 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM
  6. LEGNA #

    THIS IS A REBUTTAL TO QUESTION #6 REGARDING THE CLAIMS THAT JONATHAN CAHN MADE IN REFERENCE TO HIS USE OF THE ZOHAR.

    HE CLAIMS THAT HIS WRITINGS WERE NEVER INFLUENCED BY THE TEACHINGS OF THE ZOHAR AND THAT IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE FOR MANY BIBLE SCHOLARS AND APOLOGISTS TO QUOTE SUCH DOCUMENTS TO SUBSTANTIATE THEIR THEOLOGICAL VIEWS. IN OTHER WORDS,THAT THIS IN AND OF ITSELF IS HARMLESS TO SAY THE LEAST.

    AS A FORMER MEMBER OF YOUR CONGREGATION, ALLOW ME TO ENLIGHTEN YOU CAHN AND REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.

    A FEW YEARS AGO, I WAS PRESENT THE NIGHT YOU PREACHED THE SERMON THE ZOHAR SPEAKS. I HEARD YOU SAY 2 TIMES TO THE CONGREGATION, "LISTEN TO THE RABBIS. THE CONTENTS OF WHICH I AM PREACHING ABOUT WERE PUT THERE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT." IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO DECLARING THE RABBINICAL SAGES OF THE ZOHAR(RABBI SIMEON BAR YOCHI) WERE DIVINELY INSPIRED TO WRITE THE ZOHAR.
    THE ZOHAR FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF PSUEDEPIGRAPHA WRITINGS(SEE WIKIPEDIA.COM). WHAT DOES THAT MEAN CAHN? I WILL QUOTE THE FOLLOWING BIBLE SCHOLAR, DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF JEWISH STUDIES AND ARCHAEOLOGY DR. RANDALL PRICE FOR THIS DEFINITION.
    IN HIS BOOK "SEARCHING FOR THE ORIGINAL BIBLE, PAGE 136: THE TERM PSUEDEPIGRAPHA LITERALLY MEANS FALSELY ENTITLED. (GOT THAT). IT REFERS TO A COLLECTION OF SOME 63 DOCUMENTS WRITTEN BETWEEN 250BC-200AD BY HELLENISTIC JEWS. EACH BOOK WAS WRITTEN UNDER A PSUEDONYM WHOSE WORK WAS NOT A PART OF THE CANONICAL HEBREW BIBLE. NO PSUEDEPIGRAPHA TEXTS WERE EVER CITED OR EXPLICITLY REFERRED TO BY ANY BIBLICAL AUTHORS" AND I WILL ADD, NOT EVEN BY JESUS HIMSELF!

    YOUR CULTIC PRACTICE OF QUOTING THE ZOHAR AND OTHER MYSTICAL JEWISH WRITINGS HAS A DIRECT BEARING IN INFLUENCING YOUR TEACHINGS, SERMONS AND WRITINGS BECAUSE AFTER ALL YOU HAVE TO WRITE THEM OUT BEFORE YOU PRESENT THEM TO YOUR AUDIENCE, RIGHT? THAT IS COMMON SENSE WOULDN'T YOU SAY? INADVERTENTLY YOUR TEACHINGS ARE INFLUENCED BY FRAUDULENT, HERETICAL DOCUMENTS.

    ALSO YOUR CULTIC PRACTICE OF INTERPRETING THE SCRIPTURES THROUGH THESE MYSTICAL WRITINGS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF MANY CHRISTIANS WHO TODAY ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET BIBLE PROPHECIES BY USING THE QUATRAINS OF NOSTRADAMUS, ANOTHER FAMOUS MYSTICAL DOCUMENT. WHY NOT USE HIS WRITINGS TO INTERPRET GOD'S INERRANT WORD?

    MY FRIENDS AND READERS, AS A FORMER MEMBER OF BETH ISRAEL I SUBMIT THE ABOVE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE TO SUBSTANTIATE THE FACT THAT JONATHAN CAHN HAS BEEN DABBLING WITH CULTIC MYSTICAL HEBREW WRITINGS FOR MANY YEARS AS AN ACT OF HERESY AGAINST GOD'S INERRANT WORD!

    July 28, 2012 at 5:02 AM
  7. LEGNA #

    AS STATED ABOVE, JONATHAN CAHN IN QUESTION #6 ADVOCATES THAT IT IS HARMLESS TO QUOTE THE ZOHAR TO SUBSTANTIATE HIS THEOLOGICAL VIEWS. LET ME SHARE WITH YOU SOMETHING THAT EXPOSES HOW DANGEROUS THIS KIND OF REASONING IS. I MAKE THE FOLLOWING QUOTE FROM BOB LARSON'S BOOK PAGES 291-292 "LARSON'S BOOK OF WORLD RELIGIONS & ALTERNATIVE SPIRITUALITY.

    "AT THE CORE OF JEWISH MYSTICISM IS THE PRACTICE OF ESOTERIC DISCIPLINES THAT TAP INTO SECRET WISDOM THAT CAN INVOLVE ASCENT TO AND UNITIVE EXPERIENCES WITH THE DIVINE REALM. CONTEMPORARY TEACHERS SAY THE EMPHASIS OF THE ZOHAR/KABBALAH SHOULD BE ON PUTTING IT'S PRINCIPLES INTO ACTION RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT THEOLOGY AND THE NATURE OF GOD. AND AS IS OFTEN THE CASE WITH NEW AGE RELIGIONS, THE EMPHASIS IS ON WHAT'S IN IT FOR US. IN THE CASE OF THE ZOHAR/KABBALAH, IT'S PROMOTERS CLAIM IT WILL BRING PEOPLE PEACE, JOY, AND FULFILLMENT WITHOUT ANY WORRIES ABOUT MORAL CODES LIKE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS" end of quote.

    ONE PROPHECY HELPS CONFIRM ANOTHER
    2Peter 1:20 reads: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scriptures is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.
    Dr. George Lamsa in his commentary of the New Testament page 512 offers the following comments for this passage. "One prophecy helps to explain and sustain another. That is to say, the prophet Jeremiah, who lived many years after Isaiah, was in a position to confirm and explain Isaiah's prophecies because some of the events predicted were taking place in his day. And what Jeremiah predicted, was confirmed by prophets who followed after him. Thus, all prophecies are bound together. One helps to explain another, because all are derived from the same DIVINE SOURCE"
    (not the ZOHAR MR. CAHN)!
    Another perfect example in scripture which proves that the biblical authors used scripture to interpret scripture is found in Mathew 4: 1-11 & Luke 24:25-27.

    Anyone who believes Jonathan Cahn's ABSURD EXPLANATIONS to the questions he answered deserves to be locked up in a mental ward.

    July 28, 2012 at 7:19 AM
    • Annette #

      WOW you are so far off the point of issue that you are only confussing yourself more that you already are.
      keep it Simple because it seem that you have some problem with understanding or processing information. Take it easy dear, just take a deep breath of fresh air & call your DR. (: We'll all be praying for your speedy recovery

      November 5, 2012 at 4:12 AM
      • Holly G. #

        Annette – Eph 4:14-16 comes to mind when I read your manner of speech to other who don't see it the same, you might also consider, Tit 2:7-8, and 2 Tim 2:22-26 , or maybe Col 4:5-6, or even Eph 4:32.

        November 13, 2012 at 1:43 PM
  8. LEGNA, thanks for sharing your experience. Your comments deserve consideration, and further investigation into what Zohar is (as most of Christians are unfamiliar with the teachings).

    July 28, 2012 at 11:23 AM
  9. LEGNA #

    Dear Ms. Spreeman: Thank you for the privilege of sharing this valuable and timely information with your audience.

    July 28, 2012 at 2:49 PM
  10. LEGNA #

    For a more in-depth study into Jonathan Cahn's Kabbalistic Theology, log onto the following website: carm.org/zohar-The Zohar & carm.org/what is Kabbalah?

    August 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM
  11. LEGNA #

    IMPORATNT NOTICE: ON AUGUST 2ND, 2012 THE BEREAN CALL ANNOUNCED THE NEWLY RELEASED BOOK: THE HARBINGER: FACT OR FICTION BY
    AUTHOR DAVID JAMES. IN THIS BOOK, MR. JAMES DOES AN IN-DEPTH CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF MR. CAHN'S BOOK EXPOSING IT'S MAJOR THEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL FATAL FLAWS. THE BOOK WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE AT AMAZON.COM BUT IF YOU WANT TO ORDER IT NOW LOG ONTO: thebereancall.org.

    August 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM
  12. LEGNA #

    One more important piece of information needs to be shared. Notice how Mr. Cahn's dvd documentary is WORDED. Isaiah 9:10 Judgement: A Biblical Prophecy
    DECODED by Jonathan Cahn. The WORD DECODED is Kabbalistic terminolgy! For the evidence to SUBSTANTIATE these claims watch the documentary: DECODING THE PAST-SECRETS OF THE KABBALAH (2009) presented by THE HISTORY CHANNEL(45MINS) ON YOU TUBE.

    The Harbinger is based upon Mr. Cahn's Kabbalistic Theology.

    August 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM
  13. legna #

    Important update:

    The video 'THE ZOHAR SPEAKS" was recently removed from myspace.com. As stated earlier,this video was the smoking gun which Mr. Cahn does not want the world to see. This proves to me and anyone with common sense that Mr. Cahn will stop at nothing to remove any evidence that will prove he has been DABBLING WITH HEBREW MYSTICAL WRITINGS for many years! Mr. Cahn, if you have nothing to hide, like you stated above in your interview, put the 6:45 min video up again, and let the Body of Christ make that judgment call. It's our right as believers to test all things
    1Thes 5:21. You are in essence denying the Body of Christ that God given right. And one day God is going to hold you accountable for doing so. Shame on you!

    August 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM
  14. Wayne Canant #

    When the Democrat National Convention produced the tribute to the
    United States Military and its' Vetrans using a commanding view of Russian
    War ships and Turkish Air force fighter jets! With Commander-In-Chief
    Obama holding key to access any USA MIL PHOTOGRAPHY.

    What more profound HARBINGER, to coming destruction, do fools need?

    Respectfully,
    Honey, E6, Ret

    September 24, 2012 at 12:05 PM
  15. Kerri N #

    This is a book that I think is God inspired. I am a Christian and want to thank you so much for writing this book and putting voice to what I have felt for a very long time. I thought of Amos 3:7 I think that the Holy Spirit moved you to write, what I think is a big wake up call to the people of America. A country that WAS founded on Christian principles. May God bless you Rabbi Cahn and your family.

    November 10, 2012 at 8:38 AM
  16. Luann #

    I have read the book in debate, also have watched the rabbi on several programs, both I have enjoyed, and also recommended the book to my pastor, which he read and then our church did a book reading and discussion. First, understand, that I read the book knowing it was written in fiction, referencing the similarities and possible duplication found in Isaiah. And we can not deny the same arrogance of man, whether thousands of years ago or today!

    Second, I do not consider him a prophet, maybe knowledgeable, for I believe we have not had any prophets since the Bible, but the day comes ,the Two Witnesses! Though many hail him as a prophet, that is when we must try and prove, if from God! Look at all the false doctrines that storm the airwaves! Tried and proved false, only His truths withstand the tests!

    Third, the following crisis’ in America that coincide with Israel, is remarkable if you think about it . If we are going to say God is in control, then we also have to believe God is in control!

    By no means do I believe America is considered “ Israel”, or the covenants made were made with us. I do believe we are grafted into , yet we have forsaken all things Jewish! We have been adopted and the promises are ours also, for we are the Lords! Yet division separates us in the faith, also our nation. Let us not continue in division, but strive together in faith as one with the One and True God.

    I enjoy his speaking engagements, because he does explain the Jewish side, the festivals, the meaning and the reason! That which is not taught in our churches! He explained the Jewish wedding, and how it is the exact story of Christ, the Groom, returning for his bride! Which we realize, that the Bible is all about Christ Jesus, so are the festivals’, he also explains several of the mysteries, which also Christ is the subject.
    I also don’t believe that God made a covenant with America, but America made a covenant with God, and we are held to it! Just as we partake in the nations blessings, the judgments of the nation we will suffer also!

    Let’s face it, this world needs the LORD, people are so hungry for God, they are searching high and low, for anything they can get their hands on, enters in the unholy one, he waters down the truth, he twists the truth, changes the truth, and multitudes believe the lies! No one tests and proves, just blindly follows! This author/rabbi, may have started out revealing truths, but the praises of man scratched his itchy ears, is that not the downfall of man! Look at all the TV and radio preachers, with great multitudes of followers , followers seeking God, truly seeking God, only to be deceived! They have turned the “house of prayer” into a “den of thieves” . The flocks pray, see nothing of their prayers, and are told they need to plant seeds, then God will answer. They hand over their “seed money”, and prayers still go unanswered! And so seeing that they have tested and proved false, they still blindly follow! Called to be the salt of the earth, but I fear we have lost our flavor!

    Rather than debate each other, we need to arise in His light, and share the truth, we need to truly find the truth, live, experience and share it! Rather than build up or destroy our fellow man, we should be building up the Kingdom of God. But how can we be Kingdom people if we are about the worlds business! For the world is in us! We must come out from her! It is written that great and mighty things we will do in his name, signs and wonders, yet it seems this died with the early church! It is also written that in the end days, even the elect, believers, will be deceived, for the unholy one will do great and mighty things , the things the church should have been doing all along, but fell asleep, the very things that we the church have been praying but not seeing, yes, the unholy one has slowly crept in, we have fallen asleep, and he will deceive the multitudes. All the while, we the church, walk divided, complaining amongst ourselves, rather than being about our Father’s business, encouraging, loving, helping, lifting up one another. Instead of us reasoning together, learning from each other , teaching each other, we fall back on the easy, and criticize, condemn and find fault. Imagine, if we were empowered like the early church, Jew and Gentile, the world would be almost Heaven like!

    I pray for all, that his truth over powers us, that we, his children, will stretch out our hands in his truth, peace, love and power, gathering unto Him, ourselves and those brought into his fold, that all are saved, that not one perishes. I pray for Israel, Gods protection and His peace. The day is coming, our redemption is nigh, LOOK UP! WAKE UP!

    Rather than continue to walk contrary to his divine word, let us join together, reason with each other, and learn the truth, together! We agree that the Bible is God’s Word, God inspired! Yet we have separated from the Jewish side of our belief, we solely rely on the interpretation in front of us, not searching or researching, nor taking into consideration the Jewish knowledge of the same book! The Holy Spirit reveals so many things, yet different, to each of us, that is why it is written, that we are to fellowship with each other, believers! That we would grow in knowledge! Maybe, just maybe, had we never parted in the Faith, the Jews would have believed sooner in Christ our Lord, and today, instead of war and rumors of war, we all would be experience Heaven here on Earth, as is His will!

    In closing, the Harbinger, may or may not be God inspired, it is thought provoking, people are reading it, considering it and are even opening their Bible’s! Written mingling the past with the present and warning of the future that is doomed, if we do not return to God! As history has shown us, walking away from, contrary to and also defiantly against, God, mankind suffers! Divided we suffer! God does not want us to suffer, his will for us is that of good! But walking with the father of this world brings suffering! And as long as we continue to walk divided, we shall suffer! So, let us puts aside religion, mans interpretations, ways and means, and come together as God’s people, on common ground, the God we worship is the same God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and come to the knowledge of Christ Jesus! And experience them, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, aas our Father intended! We need to become One with the One and True God, Jehovah!

    November 17, 2012 at 6:43 AM
  17. Carole #

    Luann, Your reply is so true and resonates in me. I dont understand the statement about "the Rabbi" and his having itchy ears. I feel we really need to pray for him. He has been given powerful teachings that seem to be right on. And as far as the ever watching faultfinders re. Jonathan Cahns book, and every ministry out there they take issue with….I am as concerned about them as the greedy "send me your seed and I'll save the world" ministers. Instead of 'watchmen on the wall', they are more like 'buzzards in the trees'. Watching for any word or phrase that doesnt line up with their theology. I know we need to be ever watchful but, as you put it, they are dividing the body of Christ and we need desperately to be one in JESUS. And I dont mean one with the wolves…or the buzzards. Your said it very,very well. Thank you, Carole

    January 12, 2013 at 6:35 AM
  18. Denise Porter #

    We are to be united in the doctrine of Christ —the doctrine of Christ is taught as Jesus said, in the Law, Psalms, & Prophets (Luke 24), and then reinforcing the fact that this is so & widening the scope so as to include the New Testament as being included in the full Scripture all being concerned with the doctrine/testimony of Christ —you have Paul to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20 (I did not neglect the teaching of the full counsel…) and the elect angel rebuking John in Revelation 19:10.

    —– We are to test & prove all things. 1 John 4; 1 Thessalonians 5, Ephesians 5 —–that is not illegitimately finding fault.

    I Corinthians teaches us to beware following men rather than the Word.

    The movers and shakers among the emergents & false teachers constantly play on experience & existential measures rather than reasoning from the Word which is the only way an error can be revealed by doctrine & theology. It is necessary to know the full counsel, the doctrines & theology —or to be under the tutelage of those who do & learning from them with an open Bible in our local called out assemblies (visible churches by biblical definition). The spiritual Body of Christ 'church' is invisible & known surely only of Christ. —-If we refuse this covering & armor under Christ & the Word individually, or as assemblies —-we can be easily led astray, confused, disarmed & devoured.

    One of the marks of the Father of Confusion and the current divisions & false ecumenical unity movement as we are seeing the great falling away —- is to call good evil & evil good —lovers haters & haters lovers —unifiers in the doctrine of Christ dividers of the body and so forth —- They love to divide & conquer for the purpose of achieving their own unbiblical & ungodly agendas while giving the appearance of unifying.

    Sometimes even the 'good guys' fall to being useful dupes to this purpose. These are trying times….but we're not desperate, and we don't have to react violently.

    Always with these people works are emphasized & grace confused… Knowledge is mocked & denigrated —signs & wonders elevated (but do a study on what the Bible says about signs & wonders in the last days). Beware of mysticism & out of context prophesying —–it is not always easy to distinguish between legitimate spirituality & illegitimate superstition.

    Mr. Cahn is selling books —-as well as some of the people who are calling for caution regarding his book who support their work in that manner, while many who are calling for caution are pastors & others who have no financial or positional gain to be made.

    A sign that an issue is not biblical is when we have a strong emotional reaction to it, but not solid biblical & doctrinal reason why …the waters of Siloam are not the floods of the world. Isaiah 8. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 2 Corinthians 10.

    We might claim a loose, or shadow of a prophecy regarding the Jews to be applied to the churches or Body of Christ —–but there is a distinction, and Mr. Cahn's signs break down when closely examined. It's dangerous when folks get an idea & then shoe-horn Scripture to fit —that's what Warren & all these other guys are doing. Many of them might be ignorant of their error —-but that doesn't change the reality or the outcome.

    And if new prophecy (not teaching & forth-telling, but actual fore-telling) is permitted when Jude plainly teaches the faith once delivered, and we're warned of false gospels so plainly in Galatians, and the closing words of Revelation also tell us the canon is closed & complete—-the end is a loss of assurance regarding what any text is saying, allegorism runs amock and the simplicity of Christ & plain meaning of any text is lost.

    America is neither the church nor the Jews—-America, as a nation, is part of the Roman co-mingled kingdoms. Romans 1 better applies to us. And our task is the same as it has always been —-take the Gospel to whosoever will receive it —that is the Word of God. When people have the Word of God accurately translated in their own language —-the Holy Spirit does the sorting & interpreting, one human heart & soul relating with Him at a time.

    January 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM
  19. Denise Porter #

    oops…my apologies: scratch 2 Corinthians 10 above & insert 1Cr 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

    January 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM
  20. Denise Porter #

    Give Legna a break & do not treat her with the mockery that the world 'scientists' treat biblical chronology & narrative supporting Creationist scientists without checking out the claims.

    She speaks truth —and is supported not only with Psalm 19 & John 1 & Romans 1 -2 factual & forensic truth witnessing to the Word from the Creation & men's God-given conscience (trace of being created in the image of God despite the Fall) —–but also by the doctrine of the Word itself.

    The mysticism & ungodly drunkenness that is infecting the churches through existential & experiential feelings, urges & so forth —–untested rationally by the Word— is extremely dangerous. Our faith is not blind. 1& 2 Peter. See Deuteronomy 29:29, Isaiah 8, Ezekiel 8. Examine the manner in which Jezebel's priests of Baal behaved as compared with Elijah. See Ephesians 5 on drunken-ness and the Spirit.

    Historically, post-canon, you can also trace this devilish influence through those of the Alexandrian & Eastern 'Fathers' of the Roman churches that drew in doctrines of demons by dialoguing with pagan gurus, adopted their cosmic narrative (evolutionary) of creation & history & human nature (sexual drive force & fertility worship) & 'disciplines' (see what Jesus said about these disciplines of prayer & so forth in Matthew 6) and entered into mind-altering asceticism & so forth. (see what Jesus said further concerning this at Matthew 23:1-11; and also see 1 Timothy 4)

    This slight skew at the beginning widened—-and it resulted in Inquisitions from a false, visible, illegitimately 'unified' & universal 'Church' that murdered the brethren arguing from Scripture, organized according to the apostolic model of church polity, & separating peacefully after warning & marking as Scripture calls us to do. God permitted denominations as men responded to His Word —in fact, they are what He instructed. —-Look carefully at Romans 16, 2 Corinthians 6 & 11.

    The blood began to flow —beginning with Augustine of Hippo's 'pogroms', sending out Roman generals to massacre North African churches; Augustine of Canterbury using politically converted Saxons to wipe out the brethren at Bangon who held to local autonomy with fellowship freely determined by biblical doctrine —-all because they wouldn't bow to the god-man pope's authority! —-and Dominic Guzman and Innocent III massacreing the entire city of Beziers for the same reason…. Who has time here to go into the anabaptist persecutions, Geneva, the Dominicans sending native Americans against the 'heretic' Huegenot in Florida or the Jesuits sending native Americans against the 'heretic' Puritans of New England? —but they all happened & can be learned of by those who go to source documents & the Bible to measure & test the interpretations.

    The endtimes 'unity' is a global ecumenical Harlot, & the way that is strait and narrow will never be the majority —-do we really want to go there? There's a reason that John was so stunned & amazed when he saw 'her'.

    See also James 4:4. —— We follow Christ, and He is our Head. If the 'unction' of the Spirit that we think we 'feel' intuitively conflicts with the plain Word of God —–Houston, we have a problem.

    And we women must take particular care about this, being the more susceptible to influencing spirits.

    January 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM
  21. TRUE discernment is so needed in the church… it's like the body with an under or over sensitive immune system. At both ends of the scale is are those that do not check anything but go by their feelings (it's all god) then at the other end are people thinking they are God's Sheriff in town, but are really operating in suspicion and cynicism. We need a "LOVE" of the truth!!! In 2 Thessalonians it says some fell away because they didn't receive a Love of the Truth and God gave them over to a delusion! In acts, however, we have the Bereans!!! Paul commended them, as being MORE noble than the Thessalonians, when, after ministering to them, they check in the scriptures to see in what Paul was saying was true. He wasn't offended, that they checked, he commended them… Their motive was pure, not cynical. They wanted to see if it was true because they had a love of the truth, not because they wanted to disprove him, as I say, "cynically". The Lord looks at the motives of the heart! Scripture has to be the final authority. Jesus said to The Father in John 17:17 "your word is truth" – if we have a love of the truth -The word of The Lord and The Lord of the word (Jesus Christ) we will become MATURE!!! holding to what is good and rejecting what is evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22. May The Lord temper us all and grow us up – Remember, one of the main supernatural things, The Holy Spirit does is that "He will lead you in all truth"

    January 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM
  22. Marie #

    This book by Jonathon Cahn was the basis of a Bible Study recently in our religious institution of man (church), led by a woman who ascribes to the teachings of the Hebrews Roots Movement. I do not believe she is aware of Mr. Cahn's references to the Jewish Zohar or Kabala in his public teachings. One woman in this church claimed that the Kabala is another valuable tool of the Jewish religion.

    What I have discovered simply is this: many (men and women, and may the LORD forgive us-the children) in this church system are inolved with mysticism-hearing the voice of God apart from our Holy Scriptures. They are following the voices of gnosticism and set themselves apart as the "spiritually elite," with the rest of us considered as "baby Christians." This is satan's system, possibly similar to the Nicolatians which literally means "the conqueror of the people" in Greek. These people who are influenced more by the mystical are more apt to follow any wave of teaching that comes along, including the Kabala, ie. Jewish mysticism, and yoga-fully Hindu whether you are performing the asanas or exercises with or without the transcendal meditation, and believing all of these books written for profit on their experiences to heaven or hell, etc. which are not from God, but from the devil, since none of them line up with God's Word, these are but a few.

    I must caution those believers who choose to call these practices what they are: demonic. You WILL be persecuted by the very same people who confess to follow Jesus. They are following another Jesus visualized in their own imaginations to apease their spiritual pride thus worshipping "the self" which is exactly what the devil desires for all of us. In receiving all of this extra Biblical revelation and worshipping ourselves, we are taking our eyes off of Jesus and His teachings, therefore denying the very Savior that came to set us free from all of this bondage. I used to belong to this movement, but Christ has delievered from this false teachings and the hirelings who promote this…they no longer have power over me. But like I said, they will come after you like ravenous wolves trying to destroy your marriage, your family, your reputation, and the worst, your very soul.

    God does not have a convenant with the United States of America, only His chosen people who are scattered throughout the world. God, our Father, is judging every nation, not just America. All of those unsaved sinners out there are already under the wrath of God, so we must remember that God, the Holy Spirit, said that "Judgement begins in the house of the LORD." I believe He is referencing saved individuals here…..judgement begins with those of us who are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

    And I have to wonder…if the writer is going to write a book about what "God" said, market it and collect a handsome amount of money from it, then is it really "from God."
    I do not recall any of the prophets in Scriptures marketing their prophecies and making a small fortune from it….quite the contrary…..many lost their physical lives. And also, if this book is really from God, then why would an author or publisher threaten to sue any person who exhibits concern over the information being presented?

    Our religious institutions of man have sadly become so apostate, that now our false prophets, our false teachers, and our "selves" have more knowledge, wisdom, and worship than our Risen LORD and Savior……God is bidding us to come out of the harlot church system.

    February 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM
  23. Andrew #

    I don't think there is any harm in drawing parallels between what happened to a nation back then to what is happening in America at the moment.

    I'm more interested in the message and without doubt that message is for America to 'Repent'

    I don't get the impression that Jonathan is trying to position himself as the 'prophet' for America. However, what the book does is it gets the message out to many. It is a compelling message and one that many many people know to be true.

    Jonathan recently reiterated the message on Jan 21 at the President Inaug Prayer Breakfast and his words were not that of someone who is trying to draw attention to himself.

    There can be no doubt that Jonathan is a prophet or that he has a prophetic message. Like Elijah, he went and spoke to the king and told him of his wrong ways.

    Just the other day Dr Ben Carson added his voice to this prophetic message albeit from his own perspective.

    The warning has gone out! The trumpet has been sounded and that's what matter the most!!

    February 13, 2013 at 9:12 PM
    • Carole Russell #

      This is a good word! I really don't understand why some people have such a problem with the message or the messenger. Instead of "putting it on the shelf". They castigate the warning and the one who is warning us. hmmm, I believe they did this very thing to Jeremiah and Isaiah. Not that I am saying Jonathan Cahn is a Jeremiah or an Isaiah….lest I be called a heretic too.(though he may be a type)

      February 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM
  24. No, there would be no harm to drawing parallels, but when they say it is a secret message meant for us, a prophecy and that it is REAL; then you have to ask yourself, is the Bible sufficient as it says it is? Is it THE Word of God? Is there further prophecy and if so, then you have to look at it as to whether there are errors. There are, and there are plenty and the Biblical admonition for error, even once, with a publishing house-proclaimed prophet like Cahn is to reject their "prophecies" and to NOT listen to them.

    Is this what people are doing? No, instead they go share his "prophecies" and rave about how wonderful the message. We castigate the warning and the one who is warning us? Amen! That is what we are to do.

    And for those who want to call Cahn's message a "good word", you might want to read about what God has to say to them in Jeremiah 23 (look towards the end). Seriously, it's not a joke to mess around with God's Word and misappropriate verses meant for Israel (that's called wrongly dividing God's Word) and as for "adding to God's Word", Proverbs 30:6 is one that Jonathan might read.

    February 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM
    • Marie #

      Thank-You Holly. You are right on. And I believe there is harm in promoting this novel written by the pen of a man…and the spirit behind it. God does not have a covenant with America, only spiritual Israel and that is all of us who are grafted into the vine through Jesus Christ our LORD. We must remember, Scripture clearly states that there is "neither Jew nor Gentile," we are one in and through Jesus Christ. His covenant is with the believers….and this is NO SECRET. And all nations are under God's judgement, not just America. Since we have been indoctrinated that America is a so called christian nation, false prophets have been drawing parallels from the Old Testament Scriptures to the United States, but this is false doctrine. So all of these horrible things that are going on around the world are not under God's judgement….just America?

      It is time that we teach the Scriptures in context ……it is time to open up our Bibles in Bible Study instead of the word of man.

      February 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM
  25. You are right, God has a covenant with all who believe on His name; in that new covenant, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but in the world, there is most certainly Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God as three separate entities.

    "Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God" (I Cor 10:32)

    Although we are grafted in, we do not become Israel, (this is Cahn's teaching, that we are spiritual Israel) otherwise, it would not make sense when Paul said this, (insert church for Israel),
    Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the CHURCH is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that the CHURCH has a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For the CHURCH being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
    (You see what I mean :) )

    We are not yet one with Israel, as the remnant is still left, and have yet to believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah, as they will, those who finally look upon the one they have pierced.

    Only unbelievers are under God's judgment, as all judgment is committed to Jesus Christ, and all execution of judgment as well. We certainly suffer persecution from the world, and as a fallen and sinful world, we have to deal with repercussions of sin around us.

    But the nations themselves, the children of disobedience who shed the blood of the innocents, who rebel against God, who are blinded by the god of this age, I do believe these nations will indeed incur His wrath, in that day, when the Judge, who is standing at the door, opens the first seal, and the judgments begin to fall upon the inhabitants of the earth, all who have not believed.

    February 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM
  26. Toni #

    Jesus said not to call anyone a rabbi (Matthew 23:8), so how an alleged man of God is called so everywhere with his approval? When did shemitah (Dt 15) happen? (apart from the imagination of Jonathan Cahn). Everyone know that the worst stock market was in 1929, not in 2008, as mr Cahn says, clearly said in his 2nd DVD of his set Isaiah 9:10. Also he changes completly the meaning of the word "witness", which has nothing to do with someone quoting Scripture neither in a dictionary nor in the Bible (Dt 19:15). This book may be used by God, but God does not approve twisting of His Word, and does not approve lies.
    There is plenty of Historical proofs, such as documents, showing that the allegedly Christian George Washington was far from Christianity, but a mason (and one must know about masonry to understand how and why he and other founding fathers appeared to be Christians). So, that of the founding of a Christian nation (based on assumptions, a spread belief, and other reasons) may be sound nice and comforting, but is just a pious lie,

    March 2, 2013 at 7:46 AM
  27. Pauline Haney Hughes #

    I for one would like to thank you for sharing this. I have listened to Jonathan Cahns raccoons for several years and some of the things being circulated since the Harbinger's release just don't ring true. He addressed those thing here very well. I realize that people will beeline in the end as they choose to believe, but Cain is a very gifted teacher and I have yet to see or hear him teach any thing that you can't back up with the Bible.

    April 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM
  28. carrierwave #

    Well, I have to agree with Legna's testimony. Why does he call himself a ribbi? Why would he say: "LISTEN TO THE RABBIS". We are to listen to the Word of God.

    Never read the book and not interested in fiction of this sort: It is not TRUTH and is in conflict with the God's plan of salvation. Turning from our sin only comes AFTER we trust the Gospel of God's salvation–Jesus Christ, His death Burial and Resurrection. We come getting forgiveness FIRST–then we turn from sin AFTER WE ARE SAVED. No amount of stopping our sin will appease a Holy God from His wrath. The Blood of Christ is the only atonement that can please God and forgive sinners.

    April 17, 2013 at 3:38 AM
  29. Kyle #

    If your real name is jonathon than the made up name in the book barack doesnt tie in at all? Explain that

    May 7, 2013 at 2:24 AM
  30. a reader and his book

    May 26, 2013 at 10:12 AM
  31. Rick #

    There have been some other harbingers since the book was written. The 2000 year earthquake that cracked the foundation of the Washington Monument and the attack on our embassy in Benghazi which was a Iraq (Babylon) trained terrorist group on American soil. I think it is quite possible that the U.S. is attacked on 9/11 2015 which is a Friday. Collapse of our monetary system comes on 9/13 Sunday and my great hope that the Rapture would come on Rosh Hashanah of that year. It starts at sundown the 13th to sundown the 15th of that year. When Israel was attacked by Babylon, there were 3 types of Israelis left. The dead the remnant and the cream of the crop that were led into exile.

    July 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM
  32. SeraphimRemiel #

    I recommend anyone who is interested in Mr. Jonathan Cahn's theological background, to log onto You Tube and watch the following video clip titled:
    ZOHAR-GOLGOTHA 3 MINUTES & 8 SECONDS. This video clip was CENSORED by Jonathan Cahn. It is the SMOKING GUN which provides INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE into his KABBALISTIC THEOLOGY. Make sure you read the comments in it's ENTIRETY. I also recommend you read the book: THE HARBINGER: FACT OR FICTION by David James. After you have seen the above video clip and read
    Mr. David James book, you will be in a better position to DISTINGUSIH TRUTH FROM ERROR with regards to Mr. Cahn and his book The Harbinger.

    August 2, 2013 at 4:13 PM
  33. SeraphimRemiel #

    ALSO I WANT ALL CONCERNED CHRISTIANS TO WATCH THE FOLLOWING SLIDE PICTURE SHOW ON YOU TUBE. ON THE SEARCH BAR TYPE IN THE FOLLOWING TITLE: JONATHAN CAHN & HIS MYSTICAL HAND SIGN 11 seconds.
    MAKE SURE YOU READ MY COMMENTS IN IT'S ENTIRETY AND EXAMINE THE INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT IS BEING SHARED WITH YOU!

    August 3, 2013 at 7:58 AM
    • Marie #

      Yes, you are correct SeraphimRemiel as Jonathan Cahn does promote the Jewish Kabbalah, which in its purest form is Jewish mysticism. In the realm of Christianity, we would liken it to gnositicism, mysticism, and the occult which is alive and well within the church system.

      It is a sad day when churches are so bored with reading, studying, and meditating upon the very Word of God, that we have to bring in the false prophets like Mr. Cahn to do our bidding/Bible studies for us…..what has happened to the faith once and for all delievered unto the saints/us? The Scriptures are clear about the falling away and we are witnesses tot this very prophecy taking place within the church walls. Is it possible that most people in churches do not have God, the Holy Spirit indwelling within them to teach, convict sinful behavior, and lead people to the teachings of Christ Himself?

      Will man succumb to "The Davinci Code" study next in what is called "Bible study?" And I repeat, what spirits are teaching people in churches today?

      August 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM
  34. jennifer Anne #

    I AM SAVED BY THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER AND THE LOVE OF THE HOLY GHOST. My love for him is more powerful than anyone or anything.

    I am allowed to breathe, speak, eat, drink water and be human just like anyone else.

    Yes and am able to work effectively in the work force. And keep my loved ones safe and free from harm just like everyone else.

    so….. I see how people work and not born yesterday do as you need and I will be whom I choose to be. so next time I go to a stupid business and am ashamed and abused by others just remember the same happens to you but the only difference is that I am human but don't know what the heck you will be. Sunshine4one :)

    August 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM
  35. SeraphimRemiel #

    RAFAEL says: (Comments taken from Amazon.com)

    WARNING TO ALL CHRISTIANS CONCERNING JOSE J. BERNAL:

    THINK TWICE before you decide to visit Mr. Bernal's website. Be advised that Mr. Bernal is a strong advocate of the following occultic literary works: The Babylonian Talmud, the Zohar, & other Rabbincal Writings etc. I stumbled across this back in April 30th, 2013 when I decided to check out his website and profile. These occultic books were listed under his stockpile of favorite books. Ever since April 30th he modified his list of favorite books to list only rabbinical writings in order to avoid self incrimination with regards to his involvement with occultic literary works. These rabbinical writings were written by NEW AGE RABBINICAL SAGES, members of an occultic religion, Orthodox Judaism.

    ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO GOES BY THE NAME OF JP COLLADO WHO HAS BEEN RECENTLY ACTIVE ON THIS DISCUSSION BOARD, IS A STRONG ADVOCATE OF THIS SATANIC BOOK THE ZOHAR. ON AUGUST 26, 2012 HE MADE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT AND I QUOTE:
    ….THE ZOHAR, A HEBREW SOURCE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE ONE TRUE GOD OF THE BIBLE AND NO OTHER". REALLY?

    What you need to know about these occultic writings:

    Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai was the author of the Zohar. He was one of the great Talmudic scholars of the ORAL LAW of the second century A.D. The Roman Emperor of that time placed a contract on the head of Rabbi Yochai. Fearing for his life, Rabbi Yochai & his son Rabbi Elazar took refuge in a cage in Pequi'in, Israel. There for 13 years father & son buried themselves everyday in the ground up to their necks in an effort to subjugate the distractions of the human body. It was during this time that they SUPPOSEDLY recieved instructions in the deepest mysteries of the Torah from Prophet Elijah(YEAH RIGHT). These teachings would later become the foundations of the Zohar.
    Also be advised, that Rabbi Simeon bar Yochai ENDORSED the practice of PEDERASTY as recorded in The Babylonian Talmud to his followers!

    For INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE to the above statements please go to YOU TUBE and watch the following documentaries:
    1) DECODING THE PAST-SECRETS OF THE KABBALAH by the History Channel 2009 45 mins
    2) ZIONISM & CHRISTIANITY, AN UNHOLY ALLIANCE by Ted Pike 1hr & 35 min
    3)ISRAELI TERRORISM AND THE TALMUD 7 MINS & 15 seconds
    4) KABBALAH TALMUD ZIONISM PERVERSE PERPETUATED EVIL IMF NWO PARTS 1-3

    Also the teaching "THE ZOHAR SPEAKS" by Jonathan Cahn is based on OCCULTIC DOCTRINE. It's ORIGINS are from the
    KABBALAH/ZOHAR. It is being widely taught by KABBALIST in their KABBALISTIC CENTERS. For INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE log onto YOU TUBE & on the search bar type: GOLGOTHA & JESUS by BILLY PHILLIPS 23 mins & 48 seconds. Also on You Tube in the search bar type: Zohar-Golgotah by Jonathan Cahn 3mins & 8 seconds to see the correlation with what is being taught in KABBALISTIC CENTERS.

    Whether Mr. Bernal who is a minister under Jonathan Cahn ,chooses to admit it or not, any professing christian that is consulting with rabbinical sources as listed above, in search for a so called "PURER" understanding of the Old Testament in the name of apologetics as they previously have claimed, is consulting with the occult! Christians who engage in such religious practices for the purpose of seeking support from rabbinical exegesis, are trafficking in Babylonian Paganism/the occult when they defer to the Rabbis of Orthodox Judaism. THEY ARE IN ESSENCE IMPORTING JEWISH GNOSTICISM INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST.

    IT IS ADVISABLE FOR MR. JOSE BERNAL & JONATHAN CAHN TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF THE EPHESIANS IN ACTS 19:19 AND BURN YOUR OCCULTIC BOOKS IN A BIG BONFIRE; INSTEAD OF TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR HERETICAL DOCTRINES BY MEANS OF VERBAL HAIRSPLITTING, WHICH AMOUNTS TO NOTHING MORE THAN A SUBTLE FORM OF SUBTERFUGE.

    "EXTERMINATION OF THE CHRISTIANS IS A NECESSARY SACRIFICE" -ZOHAR, SHEMOTH

    It is now up to you, the reader of these posts to decide who is making biased or bogus statements. ALL OF MY SOURCES OF REFERENCE UNDER MY EXPOSE AS WELL AS ABOVE ARE VERIFIABLE.

    RAFAEL says:
    TO ALL AMAZON CHRISTIANS: Jose J. Bernal WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF HIS NEW BOOK "THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HARBINGER" DUE TO BE RELEASED OCTOBER 1, 2013, just went on record and stated: " The book of Zohar UNWITTINGLY SUPPORTS THE GOSPEL because it has been used by faithful witness apologetics as a hostile witness for the Gospel". ONLY GOD CAN DO SUCH THINGS; TURN SOMETHING LIKE THE BOOK OF ZOHAR INTO A TOOL THAT BEARS WITNESS THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH! REALLY JOSE?

    THIS IS A REBUTTAL TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT MADE BY MR. BERNAL:
    READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY AND WHAT I AM ABOUT TO DISCLOSE ABOUT THE AUTHOR OF THE ZOHAR, RABBI SIMEON BEN YOHAI.

    So that you may better understand the CORRUPT DOCTRINES, MORAL DECAY and background of Rabbi Simeon Ben Yohai, I will quote the following passages and practices condoned by Rabbi Yohai to his jewish followers from YEBAMOTH 60B WHICH LEGALIZED SEXUAL RELATIONS between jewish priests and 3 year old girls: It was taught by Rabbi Simeon Ben Yohai who stated: A proselyte who is under the age of 3 years old and 1 day is PERMIITED TO MARRY A PRIEST. For it is said, but all the women children that have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas who was a priest (the footnote says) was with them.

    KETHUBOTH 11B: SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH CHILDREN
    When a grownup man has sexual intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing. For when the girl is less than 3 years old, it is as if one puts his finger into the eye(in other words her virginity will return back to her). But when a small boy has intercourse with a grownup woman, he makes her as a girl who was injured by a piece of wood.

    BABYLONIAN TALMUD SANHEDRIN 54b
    "…..A child less than 9 years old can not be the subject of SODOMY"!

    This is the most horrifying example of PHARISAIC moral perversion, the LEGALIZATION OF PEDERASTY OR THE SEXUAL PERVERSION OF CHILDREN PRACTICED IN THE DAYS AND BEYOND THE TIMES OF RABBI SIMEON BEN YOHAI, PRINCIPLE AUTHOR OF THE ZOHAR!

    RABBI SIMEON BEN YOHAI'S RACIAL BIGOTRY:

    Simeon Ben Yohai is PRE-EMINENTLY THE ANTI-GENTILE TEACHER. In a collection of 3 sayings of his…is found the expression, often quoted by anti-semites, Tob shebe-goyim harog, meaning "THE BEST OF THE GENTILES DESERVES TO BE KILLED"! A.Z. 26B, TOSEPHOTH. This utterance has been felt by jews to be due to an exaggerated antipathy on the part of a fanatic whose life experiences may furnish an explanation for his animosity; hence in the various versions the reading has been altered. "The best among the Egyptians" being generally substituted.

    IT IS APPALLING THAT TODAY WE HAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO CLAIM TO BE FAITHFUL MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL, WHO ARE RESORTING TO JUDAIC RABBINICAL WRITINGS, WRITTEN BY MEN WHO WERE SEXUAL PREDATORS OF THE INNOCENT AND RACIAL BIGOTS IN ORDER TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR TEACHINGS AND SERMONS IN THE NAME OF APOLOGETICS. THIS IS A SHOCKING MISREPRESENTATION OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO SAY THE LEAST!
    THIS OCCULTIC BOOK THE ZOHAR, NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL BARE ANY WITNESS TO THE GOSPEL UNWITTINGLY OR OTHERWISE. THAT IS A CLAIM WHICH HAS NO BIBLICAL BASIS. A THEOLOGICAL FABRICATION BASED ON THE FIGMENT OF SOMEONE'S IMAGINATION.

    The following excerpt is taken from the book "ISRAEL OUR DUTY…OUR DILEMMA by Author Ted Winston Pike pages 101-102:
    "What really excited them(THE RABBIS) was that the Kabbalah preached revolution. It told them that they no longer wait upon an inscrutable God to GRANT THEM THEIR MESSIAH & world dominion at his pleasure. Instead, since they in effect were divine, THEY COULD BRING IN THE MESSIANIC AGE THEMSELVES. By the employment of kabbalistic magic they could appropiate material gain as a result of their own efforts and PRODUCE A MESSIAH TO RULE OVER THEM (cf Univ. Jewish Encyclopedia p615). Although Kabbalah had been developed and practiced in varying forms since the time of CHRIST, it was not until 1300 A.D. that a SINGLE SOURCE BOOK OF KABBALAH WAS PRODUCED, THE ZOHAR! After it's publication it became the greatest importance in spreading the practice of Kabbalah throughout Europe".

    TED W. PIKE CONTINUES ON PAGE 103: " The Kabbalah at this time was a Babylonian brew which included such occult features as REINCARNATION, NECROMANCY, CONJURATION, ASTRAL PROJECTION, COOPERATION WITH DEMONS, ASTROLOGY, NUMEROLOGY, AND A VAST SYSTEM FOR THE USE OF CHARMS, AMULETS & INCANTATIONS". In short, most of what was distinctive of BABYLONIAN & EGYPTIAN SORCERY WAS INCLUDED IN THE ZOHAR! Even today virtually all occult systems (especially THEOSOPHICAL ONES) and practices, including WITCHCRAFT & SATANISM, borrow heavily from the KABBALAH(AS PRESERVED IN THE ZOHAR) in their rituals and symbolism".

    FOR MORE DETAILS ON THE ZOHAR & HOW JEWISH GNOSTICISM IS BEING IMPORTED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST, GO TO THE VERY FIRST POST UNDER THIS BOOK REVIEW AND LOOK FOR MY NAME RAFAEL. READ MY EXPOSE DATED MARCH 24TH, 2012 AND EXAMINE THE INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. DON'T ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE A GULLIBLE CHRISTIAN!

    August 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM
  36. SeraphimRemiel #

    RAFAEL says: (Comments taken from Amazon.com)

    "THE MYSTICAL TEACHINGS OF THE ZOHAR & THE ANTI-GOYIMITIC, ANTI-CHRISTIAN HATRED DOCTRINES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD REVEALED
    & MR. CAHN'S EXTRA-BIBLICAL KABBALISTIC THEOLOGY EXPOSED: A TRUE FULL DISCLOSURE BY A FORMER MEMBER OF BETH ISRAEL"

    ATTENTION AMAZON CHRISTIANS WORLDWIDE:

    BEFORE YOU BEGIN READING MY COMMENTS, CLICK ON MY USERNAME RAFAEL AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS PHOTO OF
    MR. JONATHAN CAHN. NOTICE CAREFULLY HIS RIGHT HAND. IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT IS THE TRUE MEANING BEHIND THIS HAND SIGNAL OR SIGN WHICH HE USES LOG ONTO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: http://www.Jesus-is-Savior.com. IN THE SEARCH BAR TYPE IN THE FOLLOWING:
    THE OCCULT MAGIC OF THE JEWISH CABALA BY MR. TEXE MARRS. ALSO LOG ONTO http:michellesantos.wordpress.com and read her article:
    DEPROGRAM: ALL PEACE SIGNS ARE SATANIC LUCIFERIAN SYMBOLS. AS A CONCERNED CHRISTIAN YOU BETTER READ THESE ARTICLES CAREFULLY. THE LENS OF A CAMERA NEVER LIE.

    If you really want to know what Jonathan Cahn's teachings are as well as his theology, I strongly urge you to log onto the following website: deceptioninthechurch.com. At the home page, click on the tab marked book reviews. On the following page you will see letters a-z. Click on the letter h. On the h section, you will see several reviews of the Harbinger.
    Read the article and review done by Mrs. Berit Kjos. Mrs. Kjos provides indisputable evidence into Jonathan Cahn's mystical views and theology under the article "the Zohar, the Kabbalah, & the Harbinger. Make sure you watch the video "the Zohar Speaks". This is the smoking gun and the video Jonathan Cahn does not want the world to see! It is not an optical illusion. YOU CAN ALSO VIEW THIS VIDEO @ THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: http://www.crossroad.to/articles 2/2012/harbinger-zohar.htm & Zohar-Golgotha
    3 minutes & 8 seconds on You Tube. I strongly recommend every concerned christian to read the following article:
    KABBALAH: GETTING BACK TO THE GARDEN by MARCIA MONTENEGRO
    CHRISTIAN RESEARCH INSTITUTE: http://www.equip.org/articles/kabbalah-getting-back-to-t....

    The Harbinger is not based on sound orthodox christian theology. It is a blend of JEWISH MYSTICISM, camouflaged with Christian Apologetics. If you doubt me, read it for yourself. Turn to pages 240 and 242. In fact, read the entire last chapter of The Harbinger for a broader picture. Also notice the title of his dvd documentary and how it is worded:
    Isaiah 9:10 Judgement. A Biblical Prophecy DECODED by Jonathan Cahn. THE WORD DECODED IS KABBALISTIC TERMINOLOGY. For the evidence to SUBSTANTIATE THESE CLAIMS SEE DECODING THE PAST-SECRETS OF THE KABBALAH(2009) ON YOU TUBE by The History Channel (45mins). I also highly RECOMMEND you watch on You Tube:
    "THE JEWISH TALMUD EXPOSED" & CONFESSIONS OF A FORMER JEW" by Brother NATHANAEL KAPNER. You MUST also see this SHOCKING video on YOU TUBE "SATANIC TALMUD" by XLIVES.COM 10MIN & 19 SECONDS. Also I highly recommend you purchase: "THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE ZOHAR" BY MICHAEL BERG and JUDAISM'S STRANGE GODS by MICHAEL HOFFMAN @AMAZON.COM.

    In Dave James newly released book "The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction", in chapter 17 "The Tenth Seal", Mr. James discusses very profoundly the mystical qualities of Mr. Cahn's kabbalistic theology. I make the following quote from page 198 of the same chapter:

    " In the July 3, 2012 interview when Brannon Howse expressed his deep concern about Cahn using mystical sources for his messages, Cahn tried to justify his practice by noting that the Apostle Paul also referred to the teaching of pagan philosophers in his address to the Athenians(Acts 17:22-31). He went on to suggest that Paul would have been"crucified" by discernment ministries for using a hymn to Zeus and because of his associations.(WHAT ASSOCIATIONS? THAT PAUL BELIEVED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST AND GREEK MYTHOLOGY HAVE A COMMON GROUND FOR SHARING THE WORD OF GOD?)
    That is a red herring. The two situations are completely different. Paul's approach is nothing like Cahn's. Cahn refers to the mystical rabbinical writings POSITIVELY, saying that because God had inspired them his church should "listen to the rabbis". He presents the Zohar as something that can be studied and it's depths plumbed for hidden mysteries like he had just revealed for the first time.
    In stark contrast, Paul immediately tells his audience that what they have been taught by their poets about the unknown god they worship is completely wrong. He does not suggest that their sayings contain hidden mysteries that were inspired by God and that he had just discovered for the first time. Paul never implies that the Athenians should listen to these men. Rather he refers to a single point of agreement(we all come from God) to denounce their idols. From Romans we understand that the knowledge of that truth is not a hidden mystery but has rather been made plain to everyone through both the conscience and the creation(Romans 1:18-2:16).

    The above theological statement is further substantiated from the Apostle Paul's letters to his Greek converts in the following biblical passages:
    1 Corinthians 1:17- 31, 1 Corinthians 2:1-16 & Colossians 2:8 NKJV.
    FOR A MORE IN DEPTH STUDY OF ACTS 17:22-31 READ THE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY
    R.K. McGREGOR WRIGHT, TH.M.,PH.D. "PAUL'S PURPOSE AT ATHENS AND THE PROBLEM OF COMMON GROUND" PARTS 1,2,& 3.
    The Link is as follows: http://www.dtl.org/apologetics/wright/athens.

    Anyone who believes that the Harbinger is based solely on the inerrant word of God will be subjected to a great delusion. I am in a position to know. I was once a member of Beth Israel for many years. My statements are not about ministry bashing. I am here to expose the fact that Jonathan Cahn for many years has been utilizing mystical hebrew writings such as the Zohar and the Jewish Talmud to supplement and substantiate some of his teachings and sermons. THE ZOHAR MEANS "RADIANCE or SPLENDOR". IT IS THE PREMIER TEXT OF OCCULT KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE KABBALAH and a basis for laws instituted by NEW AGE RABBINICAL SAGES. The Zohar is a synthesis of the OCCULT GNOSIS of PHARAONIC EGYPT & ANCIENT BABYLON. And he claims that there is absolutely nothing wrong with quoting from the Zohar. That many apologists, bible commentators etc do this(see standupforthetruth.com on his most recent interview question #6 June 2012).
    Ofcourse they do. ONLY professing christian kabbalists and christian gnostics use the Zohar as a reference manual in their QUEST FOR ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE by decoding the past like Mr. Cahn does; in search of so called biblical mysteries which just don't exist within the sacred text.
    The Zohar is the MYSTICAL CLASSICAL TEXT USED BY THE KABBALISTS. This practice by Jonathan Cahn is the equivalent of many christians who today attempt to interpret bible prophecies by using the Quatrains of Nostradamus. I was there one night at Beth Israel several years ago, when he preached that sermon "the Zohar Speaks". I heard and saw him say 2 times to the congregation, that he believed these new age rabbinical sages who wrote the Zohar(Rabbi Simeon bar Yochai and Rabbi Moses De Leon etc) and writings were put there by the Holy Spirit . BUT THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD THROUGH HIS SPIRIT PLAINLY STATES THAT SUCH MEN WILL ARISE IN THE LAST DAYS SEE 1 TIMOTHY 4:1 & GALATIANS 1:8-9.

    In standupforthetruth.com, Mr. Cahn in question#5 was aked: "One critic said that since The Harbinger speaks of MYSTERIES being revealed-does this have to do with GNOSTIC beliefs?
    ANSWERE: A very confused view. Unless we want to call the Apostle Paul a gnostic, SINCE HE ALSO SPOKE OF MYSTERIES. It's precisely the opposite. The Gnostics believed in knowledge that was to be kept secret, to stay a mystery. God is the one who reveals mysteries. THE HARBINGER DOES LIKEWISE-IT REVEALS MYSTERIES. If there are no mysteries, then we know everything there is to know. But we don't. And God, by his Spirit, is to lead us to continual insight, and show us things we don't know.

    REBUTTAL: I make the following quotation from the book "CORRECTING THE CULTS"
    from pages 108-109(authors Norman L. Geisler & Ron Rhodes apologist)
    Mathew 13:10-11: DID JESUS TEACH THAT WE NEED TO SEEK A HIDDEN, SECONDARY(esoteric) MEANING IN SCRIPTURE, AS NEW AGERS SAY?
    Misinterpretation: Some New Agers appeal to Mathew 13:10-11 in an attempt to show that we should seek secret and hidden(esoteric) meaning in scripture. Jesus is portrayed being in front of a multitude composed of both believers and unbelievers. He did not attempt to separate the believers from the unbelievers and then instruct only the believers. Rather, he constructed his teaching in such a way that believers would understand what he said but unbelievers would not-by using parables. Then, after teaching one such parable, a disciple asked Jesus: "Why do you speak to the people in parables"? (see Mathew 13:10). Jesus answered: "THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SECRETS(OR MYSTERIES) OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN HAS BEEN GIVEN TO YOU(believers) BUT NOT TO THEM(unbelievers)
    Mathew 13:11.
    IN OTHER WORDS, JESUS IS CLEARLY STATING THE MYSTERIES OF GOD'S KINGDOM AND OF HUMAN HISTORY PAST, PRESENT, & FUTURE HAVE ALREADY BEEN REVEALED BY GOD'S INERRANT WORD! NOT BY SEEKING HIDDEN, SECONDARY OR ESOTERIC MEANING IN SCRIPTURE LIKE MR. JONATHAN CAHN DOES IN THE HARBINGER AND THROUGH HIS KABBALISTIC THEOLOGY.

    The Zohar falls under the category of pseudepigrapha (see JEWISHENCYCLOPEDIA.com). The Zohar is a pseudepigraphic work which PRETENDS to be a REVELATION FROM GOD communicated through Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai to the latter's select disciples in the form of a COMMENTARY on the first 5 books of Moses/Torah. I qoute the following definition from Dr. Randall Price's book " Searching for the Original Bible" page 136 the following: "the term pseudepigrapha literally means falsely entitled. It refers to a collection of some 63 documents written between 250BC-200AD by hellenistic jews. Each book was written under a psuedonym whose work was not part of the canonical hebrew bible. No psuedepigrapha texts are CITED or EXPLICITLY referred to by any biblical authors of the New Testament(and I will add neither by Jesus himself)".

    I also make the following quote from Bob Larson's book "WORLD RELIGIONS & ALTERNATIVE SPIRITUALITY" pages 291-292 in regards to the Zohar & the Kabbalah:
    "At the core of jewish myticism is the practice of ESOTERIC DISCIPLINES that tap into the secret wisdom that can involve ascent to and unitive experiences with the divine realm. Contemporary teachers of the ZOHAR/KABBALAH say the emphasis of Kabbalah should be on putting it's principles into action rather than worrying about theology and the nature of GOD. And as is often the case with New Age religions, the emphasis is on what is in it for us. In the case of the Zohar/Kabbalah, it's promoters claim it will bring people peace,joy and fulfillment without any worries about moral codes like the 10 Commandments" end of quote.

    With regards to Mr. Cahn's use of the Jewish Talmud, what exactly is so HERETICAL about it which is never disclosed? It is considered HOLY WRIT for the Jews. The Talmud SUPERCEDES the OLD TESTAMENT in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the MOST RACIST, HATE MONGERING, BLASPHEMOUS BOOK the world has ever known! The Satanic verses of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories: 1) JEWISH SUPREMACY 2)HATRED TOWARDS THE GOYS(GENTILES) &
    3) BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY & ALL CHRISTIANS.

    But the Messiah Yeshua(Jesus) censored the ORAL LAW(TALMUD) when he said
    "BY THE TRADITIONS OF YOUR ELDERS(PHARISEES) YOU MAKE VOID THE WORD OF GOD MATHEW 15.
    For a more indepth study of the Jewish Talmud go to the following link: http://www.realjewnews.com and look up the article "SATANIC VERSES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD" by Brother Nathanael Kapner.

    The HARBINGER STRONGLY RESEMBLES ARTIFICIAL DIVINATION. ARTIFICIAL DIVINATION depends on the skill of the agent in reading & interpreting certain SIGNS called OMENS/HARBINGERS! IT IS MY PERSONAL BELIEF THAT THIS IS HOW THE HARBINGER MAY HAVE BEEN DEVISED.
    And all these RELIGIOUS PROFESSIONAL JOKERS WHO ARE MILKING YOU OF YOUR TITHES & OFFERINGS; on their television networks are proclaiming Jonathan Cahn as America's NEW PROPHET. God's word CONDEMS SUCH OCCULTIC PRACTICES….WHO PRACTICE DIVINATION….DEUTERONOMY 18:10.

    1 Thes: 5:21 & Acts 17:11 commands us to test all things. This is not an option. Blind acceptance of any theological view, simply because it was set forth by a respected brother or minister is very dangerous and detrimental to the Body of Christ to say the least.

    Paul in Galatians 1:8 exhorts the Body of Christ as follows: NOW EVEN IF WE OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN SHOULD DECLARE TO YOU ANOTHER GOSPEL OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE HAVE DECLARED TO YOU, HE WILL BE CURSED.
    If the body of Christ is ready to EMBRACE ANOTHER GOSPEL CORRUPTED WITH JEWISH MYSTICISM, THEY CAN HAVE IT. After spending more than 7 years at Beth Israel, I have no doubt that the MESSIANIC JEWISH MOVEMENT together with their CRYPTO RABBIS are involved with DOCTRINES & RELIGIOUS PRACTICES that are INCONSISTENT with God's Word and are CONTRARY to HIS WILL FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST.
    Log onto the following link: http://jesus-messiah.com and read the article "DANGERS OF THE FALSE MESSIANIC MOVEMENT by Dr. G. RECKART- PASTOR.

    Everything that is being shared with you ultimately led to my resignation as a member from Beth Israel. If you want to ignore my warnings, feel free to do so at your own peril.

    It is advisable for Mr. Jonathan Cahn and any other staff member within his ministry who are in possesion of these OCCULTIC WORKS OF LITERATURE( i.e. Mr. JOSE J. BERNAL THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HARBINGER- RELEASE DATE OCT 1, 2013) to follow the example of the EPHESIANS in ACTS 19:19 and burn your occultic books in a BONFIRE instead of trying to justify your heretical doctrines in the name of APOLOGETICS. If you choose not to, then you are probably better off changing the name of your church from Beth Israel the Jerusalem Center to "BETH ISRAEL THE KABBALAH CENTER". Galatians 5: 19 "FOR THE WORKS OF THE FLESH ARE WELL KNOWN…..VERSE 20….HERESIES…..VERSE 21…..AS I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE AND I SAY TO YOU NOW, THOSE WHO PRACTICE SUCH THINGS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

    "It is not for nothing that the authoritative edition of the Talmud is known as the Babylonian Talmud. As Christians misled by their Judaizing preachers & popes are increasingly consulting Jewish rabbinical sources for a "PURER" understanding of the Old Testament, they are unknowningly consulting the OCCULT.
    Judaism is the religion of the Pharisees and the patrimony of Babylon from where the Talmudic & Kabbalistic traditions of Judaism ultimately derive. Orthodox Judaism's other sacred book, the Kabbalah( THE ZOHAR BEING IT'S PREMIER TEXT OF OCCULT KNOWLEDGE) is filled with astrological teachings, fortune telling, gematria, necromancy & DEMONOLOGY.
    Orthodox Rabbis place curses, cast spells & imagine they have powers greater than God, derived from their study of the Sefer Yezriah(a book of Kabbalistic Magic). Christians are TRAFFICKING in Babylonian Paganism when they DEFER to the Rabbis of Judaism" MICHAEL HOFFMAN.

    Every christian across America who have read Mr. Cahn's book and concluded that it is a PROPHETIC WORD from God to this nation, need to seriously re-examine your beliefs. Jewish Gnosticism is being IMPORTED very SUBTLELY into mainstream Christianity. YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY MAY BE IN JEOPARDY!

    "EXTERMINATION OF THE CHRISTIANS IS A NECESSARY SACRIFICE"-ZOHAR, SHEMOTH

    READ THE HARBINGER: FACT OR FICTION BY DAVID JAMES!

    August 25, 2013 at 10:47 AM
  37. SAR #

    When I heard about the Harbinger from a friend I borrowed his copy & read the story. Since it was in a fictional format I liked the message & of course the more an individual or group of individuals forsake God's word & dive deeper into wickedness the result is obvious. The book seemed good however the more I look at what the talmud & zohar teach I cannot recommend it anymore.

    I also saw the video with Cahn = the zohar & galgotha. As I watched there are many things that conflict with scriptures. Like life flows from the dead, that a place is where life comes from instead of the Father & Yeshua, etc. So much is wrong that I recently had to check out the talmud and what it teaches because many quote from it as well.

    I found out that the talmud, which is basically a commentary, has lots of conclusions and teachings that are in direct conflict with scripture. For me and my house we will not have the zohar, talmud or any other such commentary for studying.

    With that said I personally feel that Cahn is doing one of two things. 1. he is ignorant of what he is doing & that is not good. 2. he does know and that is not good either. After seeing the quote from the zohar & then the almost exact wording in Cahn's teaching on the zohar and galgotha, I will error on the side of scripture and end my subscription with CAhn's website.

    Be careful

    October 15, 2013 at 6:40 AM
  38. rafael #

    The following is a debate that took place on Amazon.com between Jose Bernal and SAR on or about Oct 16th 2013:

    SAFEARMSREVIEW SAYS:

    Rafael, I agree that talmud, zohar and other writtings are not something I want to get into & won't.

    My question is this, I try to adhear to scripture and what it teaches – we observe the sabbath & feasts of the Lord.

    Do you see any problems with believers doing this?

    Just curious

    October 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM
  39. rafael#2 #

    JOSE J. BERNAL SAYS:
    Rafael has copied and pasted what you read here and tried to defame me and Pastor and Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, calling us Kabbalists, promoters of the Zohar, and trying to convince people that The Harbinger, The Harbinger Decoded, The Truth About The Harbinger (my book), and The Harbinger Companion and Study Guide promote the Occult and mysticism, when they do not.
    I should know. I've known Rabbi Cahn for over ten years. He is not a Jewish Mystic or Occultist, or Kabbalist, nor is he a Gnostic. He is a Messianic Jewish believer in the Messiah of Israel and teaches mainline Judeo-Christian teachings, that is teachings based upon the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament. By God's grace, calling, and election in the Lord Yeshua/Jesus, I teach at the Arise and Shine Academy at the Beth Israel Jerusalem Center in Wayne, NJ, where Rabbi Cahn shepherds.

    Neither he nor I are any of the mischaracterizations that this crank by the name of Rafael calls us. I would caution everyone to be discerning and remember that it is the wolf in sheep's clothing who attack the sheep. Sheep do not attack sheep. Wolves attack sheep. When you see someone who says he is a Christian attack another Christian or other Christians repeatedly by accusing him/them as Rafael does of something that he/they do not involve himself/themselves in, you know who you are dealing with. There is only one accuser of the brethren before God, and his servants make it a pretense to appear as ministers of light, when they are actually ministers of darkness and all falsehoods. Of course, as in the other discussions, the accuser of the brethren manifests himself in his servant Rafael to bear false witness, confuse the body, cause dissension, and bear false witness.

    I challenge Rafael to present one shred of evidence that Rabbi Cahn or I are any of the things he claims we are without knowing us. This is the rantings of a maniac. He makes up a quote of an imaginary ex-member or visitor to Beth Israel who just about parrots what he says, and actually thinks that anyone is going not to see through this sophstry! Amazing. We are dealing with a fool or worse a raving lunatic.

    I have repeatedly told Rafael that neither Pastor Cahn or myself belief any of the nonsense he posts and claims we believe, but he keeps copying and pasting it all over the place. This is call defamation, and in the face of evidence contrary to it, it is nothing short of libel and bearing false witness against not just a neighbor, but against a brother/brethren. This is a breach of one of God's commandments.
    Everyone will note that I do write anything personal regarding this person, yet he without knowing either Rabbi Cahn or myself, has posted and reposted this canard on Amazon.com at the instigation of another who encourages him to do it, and hides behind his shadow. Everyone will note that I only post this to defend both Rabbi Cahn and my character inasmuch as this slanderer has appeared here to defame us without cause, and without knowing who we are. Thank you.

    October 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM
  40. rafael# #

    SAFEARMSREVIEW SAYS:

    Jose, The only reason I bring up the zohar is that it has many heretical statements & beliefs presented in it. Now what does this have to do with Cahn? In his teaching "The Zohar Speaks" Cahn quotes the zohar a lot in this teaching.

    Just let me ask how biblical are these statements that Cahn made in this teaching?

    Cahn ""In the Gulgalta… sit thousand of myriad of worlds. And from the Gulgalta drips dew and… the dew fills the world and the dead will awaken in the world to come as the dew comes forth. The dew is the lights of the ancient one. The light of the ancient one comes from Gulgalta and as it touches, the dead comes to life. From Gulgalta is the light of God bringing life from the dead…"

    Lets look at the problems…

    1. "in the gulgalta sit thousand of myriads of worlds…"

    * Where in scripture is this taught? I cannot find it in the Old Testament or the New Testament or any implied passage. btw what does this have to do with Yeshua, repenting, salvation or living in accordance with Hashem's word? Scripture states His kingdom is not of this world & there is record in scripture of other worlds with people needing salvation.

    2. "And from the Gulgalta drips dew… the dew fills the world and the dead will awaken in the world to come as the dew comes forth…"

    * There is NO mention of any 'dew' that will fill the world or awaken the dead in scripture. This is gnostic – it gives power which is ascribed to the created, a location on creation and NOT the Creator. Again no mention in scripture at all but we do see similar themes in pagan teachings, hence the red flag when I watched & heard Cahn say this.

    3. "The dew is the lights of the ancient one."
    * There is only one light & that is the Mashiach, the light of the world who was in the beginning. Even in the new jerusalem we do not see dew or lights as there is only the glory/light of Hashem that lights everything. In new age teachings (which are really old age pagan ways) do we see this type of terminology. These lights are misleading, not biblical and not beneficial in any way, shape or form for the believer today. Our strength, hope & peace comes the from Him and its not in the form of dew or lights. So you can see why I question this from Cahn.

    4. "The light of the ancient one comes from Gulgalta and as it touches, the dead comes to life."
    * NEVER is this found in scripture – never do we see where this happening OT or NT or in the writings of the prophets. Please provide in context scriptural references for this and the prior problem areas because I cannot find any support for such wording, except in new age writings.

    5. "From Gulgalta is the light of God bringing life from the dead…"

    * BRINGING LIFE FROM THE DEAD?!@?!? Again no teaching from scripture supports this in the way it presented in the Zohar (mind you Cahn only quoted a small part, the rest is worse).

    6. "The resurrection of the dead and redemption of the world. And they speak, they say it all will come, the power of all this miracle of all…this will come from a sacred thing, a sacred place and this place, this thing where the mercy of God is stored, all the mercy of God pours out from this place and that is where all the resurrection will come, all the blessings come from this place, this thing. What is it? Very strange. They call it the Gulgalta, this holy mystical thing."

    * Scripture states that God's mercy is NOT 'stored' anywhere or that it pours out from a 'place'. Phrases similar to this are seen in druidic & early false/pagan god writings, so you can see why I am very concerned about Cahn (or anyone else using such things). When did it become ok to use pagan theology to help explain what is plainly seen in scripture? By using these things Cahn, IMHO, is only mudding the clear water of Hashem's word.

    7. "The rabbis are saying `From Gulgalta is all the mercy of God you could ever need…. From Gulgalta the forgiveness of donai is poured out to the world. From Gulgalta comes the redemption of the universe.".. This is from Rabba Zohar 1, 28b."

    * Scripture states VERY clearly that the universe is not in need of redemption; only people are redeemed (bought with a price which is Yeshua's death on the cross). These 'rabbis' that wrote the zohar are so far from the truth its not even funny. Yeshua is seen rebuking the religious leaders like these for adding to and taking away from Hashem's word = repent or perish was His message.

    Again please support these phrases from Cahn with in context scriptures from the OT, NT & writings of the prophets. IF you cannot THEN these are dangerous statements that have elements of new age teachings, gnosticism & ways that are in conflict with Hashem and His word. I should remind you that He states we are not supposed to worship or follow the way of the pagans to worship or follow the Creator. Neither are we to use the way of teaching that the pagan's use to teach about Hashem. These rabbis who wrote the Zohar rejected the Messiah and continued in false teaching, so why would any godly man or woman want to quote from such a source, especially in light of the things I pointed out, which are in in direct conflict with the scriptures?

    BTW Cahn from what I have read stated his teachings are not influenced from the zohar but here is the passage that comes from Idra Rabba, Zohar 3:128b…

    "In the Gulgalta sit thirteen thousand myriads of worlds which move on feet and lean on them. And from that Gulgalta dew drips upon Him who is outside, and fills his head every day…. And from that dew which He who sits outside shakes from His head, the dead will awaken in the World to Come, as it is written, 'For a dew of light is Thy dew, and the earth shall bring forth the shades (Isa. 26:19). That dew is the light of the pale glow of the Ancient One. And from that dew exist the supernal saints, and it is the manna which they grind for the righteous in the World to Come. And that dew drips down to the field of Sacred Apples…"

    So Jose you can see while I totally agree that the world and especially America needs to repent. However the scriptures state that 2/3rds will fall away & that Hashem will have a small remnant that are on the narrow road that leads to salvation & that the broad road with many leads to destruction. The statement made by Cahn that the world can be saved is lacking when we look at the truth found in scripture.

    Jose you say you have known Cahn for over ten years & that he is not a kabbalist or gnostic, then why did he quote the zohar and its obvious gnostic passages? Why is it similar to esoteric pagan writings? Why are there no scriptures that support any of it in Cahn's "The Zohar Speaks" as I pointed out? If Cahn is not a kabbalist they why did he state in the teaching ""I found it in the mystical writings, Jewish writing of the Zohar.."?

    I honestly want to know.

    With that said I have throughly enjoyed some of Cahn's teachings, especially on bride and bridegroom & how it parallels with the feasts of the Lord = great stuff. However I feel Cahn is going down a dangerous road – one that he cannot back up with scripture. If his message is only supported by zohar and other dangerous writings then it is not a teaching I want for me or my family. I hope you understand.

    Now since you know Cahn has he issued an apology for his "The Zohar Speaks" message? Did he ask forgiveness for teaching from such aberrant material? If he has then I would like to see this to put my mind at ease (as we have all done something in the past we were not proud of).

    I look forward to your reply Jose.

    P.S. I posted info that came from the video of Cahn's teaching "The Zohar Speaks" & the scripture which are not rantings. I have posted facts & quotes from Cahn & presented my questions so this is not slander, just seeking answers.

    I'm just wondering why Cahn IF he is not a gnostic THEN why is he using such heretical sources?

    BTW this is NOT an instance of brother against brother but confronting a teacher who is using very questionable material. Since no answer has been given one-on-one, the next step is bringing out in the open for a simple and easy way of settling the matter for all to see.

    SAR

    October 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM
  41. rafael# #

    JOSE BERNAL SAYS: Dear SafeArmsReview,

    Thank you for presenting your objections to the Zohar and to it use by Christians. I repeat what I have said before, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn does not believe in the writings contained within the Book of Zohar. Nor is he a Gnostic. Gnostic involved the suppression of mystery, not its discovery. Gnosticism has aberrant teachings pertaining to the Person and deity of Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah. No Jonathan Cahn does not believe or teach Gnosticism.

    There are phrases in the Brit Chadashah (New Testament) which parallel those of the Community of Qumran, such as Teacher of Righteousness, and sons of light, but that does not mean that the teachings and Scriptures of the Brit Chadashah (New Testament) support or its teachings support or mirror those of the Essenes of Qumran.

    The use of the Book of Zohar, which is an encyclopedic medieval work, has many passages that unwittingly bear witness that there had to be a suffering Messiah, and it cryptically illustrates many of the truths contained in the Gospel, such as Ha Shem is a Trinity, that the Angel of the Presence also known as the Angel of the Lord is G-d, that God has a Son, and many other incredible teachings that Modern Rabbinical Judaism eschews; but was once taught by Second Temple Judaism.

    Now this does not mean that because it contains these things that the Brit Chadashah (New Testament) and Christianity – which in its truest form is Biblical Judaism completed because it has the Messiah – well, it does not mean that because the Book of Zohar contains all of these things that the teachings of the New Testament are heretical. It just unwittingly supports the truths of the Gospel. This is how Rabbi Cahn used this material.

    He did not use it to support what the Zohar says, but to use what it says as a hostile witness (the rabbinical writings) of the Gospel of Yeshua the Messiah. This is common in Apologetics, and in Law, where one uses material from a hostile witness to support a belief or stance that other person disagrees with. This method and the material Rabbi Cahn uses in this tape you allude to has been referenced and used to support the Gospel and Yeshua's Messiaship for centuries. It is not new with Rabbi Cahn. He is simply following in the tradition of great biblical expositors who came before him who were Jewish and had knowledge of these, such as Edersheim, Schonfield, and many others, and today Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira is one who uses these at length in his new book titled, The Return of the Kosher Pig, to show without equivocation that the writings of the rabbis of Judaism support that Yeshua IS the Promised Messiah. This is the context in which this material is used. This is not understood by people who have little or no background into Judaism, and that is where the confusion lies.

    The teaching on the video dealt with the fact that this amazing passage from the Zohar bears witness that from the place of execution where the Messiah was put to death, where He surrendered His life for us all, from that very place, called Golgotha, there would come life, the resurrection from the dead, and living waters. The Gospels record that near the place of execution was a garden that had a tomb in it hewn into solid rock that had never been used, and there is where they lay the body of the Messiah. It also says that from there the Messiah rose from the dear on the third day.

    The use of this material is simply for Apologetics purposes and does not in any way indicate any belief in these writings. Thank you for your candor.

    October 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM
  42. Rafael #

    SafeArmsReview: I highly commend you in taking a firm stand and defending your position as well as the INERRANT WORD OF GOD. Thank you for your input. I am sure that many christians who read it will derive great benefits from what you have shared. Many thanks and Shalom Brother in Yeshua!

    P.S. If your schedule permits read the following article below at your earliest convenience:

    FOR A MORE IN DEPTH STUDY OF ACTS 17:22-31 READ THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE WRTTEN BY
    R.K. McGREGOR WRIGHT, TH.M.,PH.D. "PAUL'S PURPOSE AT ATHENS AND THE PROBLEM OF COMMON GROUND" PARTS 1,2,& 3.
    The Link is as follows: dtl.org/apologetics/wright/athens.

    THE ABOVE ARTICLE BY DR. WRIGHT REFUTES THE ERRONEOUS DOCTRINES THAT ARE BEING PROPAGATED BY JOSE BERNAL(AND JONATHAN CAHN) AS QUOTED BELOW:

    "It is precisely as Paul had done at Athens, and as he does throughout his letters, where he teaches and quotes directly from pagan sources to support the point he wants to make in promoting the Gospel that these teachers of God's Word have used, continue to use, and will continue to use all of the relevant extra-biblical sources as hostile witnesses – not false witnesses, as is implied in SafeArmsReview's comments in the last two entries to this discussion. This does not any way indicate that any of these born again expositors, theologians, and Messianic Rabbis agree or believe the writings of the Zohar; they are using parts of them, NOT ALL PARTS, but just the parts that relate in support of the Gospel and what the Gospel narratives teach about the life of Yeshua the Messiah".

    October 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM
  43. Rafael #

    SafeArmsReview : To Jose Bernal

    Well I asked simple questions with many requests for scriptures and you have not provided them.

    I was sincerely hoping for some answers but all I got was pages of replies with no straight forward answers.

    Thanks for the replies & insight.

    October 23, 2013 at 10:17 AM
  44. Janise Bradford #

    As a Christian, I would like to know if Rabbi Kahn believes in both the Old and New Testament. Does he believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and has risen!

    Thank you!

    October 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM
  45. Rafael #

    CONCERNING JOSE J. BERNAL AUTHOR OF THE BOOK THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HARBINGER:

    JOSE J. BERNAL A MINISTER UNDER THE PASTORAL LEADERSHIP OF JONATHAN CAHN BELIEVES IT'S OKAY FOR CHRISTIAN BIBLE SCHOLARS(INCLUDING HIMSELF & JONATHAN CAHN) TO USE THE ZOHAR, A JEWISH MYSTICAL SATANIC BIBLE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR APOLOGETICS.

    Jose J. Bernal says:

    "Isn't it amazing how God uses Paul in Acts 17 to teach the pagans from their own writings on Mar's Hill and how in Apologetics even the Book of Zohar unwittingly supports the Gospel because it has been used by faithful witness Apologists as a "hostile witness" of the Gospel? Only God can do such things; turn something like the Book of Zohar into a tool that bears witness that Jesus is the Messiah! Thank you."

    "The only thing that I would use the Zohar for and the Talmud would be for the same use that eminent Messianic Jews such as Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Dr. Michael Rygelnik, Dr. Michael Brown, Dr. Mitch Glazer, and many more, such as Pastor and Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn would use such works for; to affirm from them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is called in Apologetics "the fair use of a hostile witness" to affirm a specific matter".

    THINK TWICE before you decide to visit Mr. Bernal's website, THE PEPSTER'S POST: A VOICE IN CYBERSPACE. Be advised that Mr. Bernal is a strong advocate of the following occultic literary works: The Babylonian Talmud, the Zohar, & other Rabbincal Writings etc. I stumbled across this back in April 30th, 2013 when I decided to check out his website and profile. These occultic books were listed under his stockpile of favorite books. Ever since April 30th he modified his list of favorite books to list only rabbinical writings. These rabbinical writings were written by NEW AGE RABBINICAL SAGES, members of an occultic religion, Orthodox Judaism.

    ANY PROFESSING MINISTER OF THE GOSPEL WHO RESORTS TO THESE OCCULTIC WRITINGS AS MENTIONED ABOVE ARE CONSULTING WITH THE OCCULT. IN ESSENCE THEY DO NOT HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY.

    "A TREE IS KNOWN BY IT'S FRUIT (cf MATHEW 12:33)".

    October 25, 2013 at 11:02 AM
  46. Rafael #

    Kabbalah, Cahn, and Hebrew Mysticism

    BY James, David

    Apr 1 2013

    Excerpted from The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction?

    Jonathan Cahn has over 1,700 of his messages available through the Hope of the World website. The descriptions of many of these messages are quite revealing about his approach to handling the Word of God-which appears to be mystical at its core:

    1. MESSIAH'S CATACLYSM & THE HIDDEN WRITINGS OF 30 A.D. ( The amazing signs contained in the hidden writings of the rabbis that happened c. 30 A.D. . . . )

    2. THE COSMIC TSULAV & THE MYSTERY OF PURIM ( The deep mystery at the center of Purim, and the center of the existence itself, the mystery hidden in the Sistine Chapel, Dante's Inferno, Josephus, the Septuagint, and in the ancient Biblical account – the mystery of the Tsulav, the Cross, the Xulon. )

    3. THE SWORD OF AMALEK & THE MYSTERY OF PURIM ( From the day of the Red Sea, Pharaoh's chariots and Amalek, to the Third Reich, Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, and the nuclear sabers of Iran, the amazing mystery of Amalek, the hand of God, and what it has to do with your life. )

    4. THE PRODIGAL SON REVELATION! ( The most universal and personal of Messiah's parables also contains a mystery behind the present age, the Jew, the Gentile, Israel, the Church, and the last days. )

    5. THE MESSIAH BEARER! ( From the deep and mystery filled Book of Hebrews, the mystery of the Messiah Bearer-what it means for your life. )

    6. THE MYSTERY OF THE COSMIC FRINGE ( The Kraspedon Mysteries come to their conclusion-The mystery of Messiah's sacred garment and the mystery of its fringe and a hint: It has everything to do with you. )

    7. THE NISAN GOSPEL MYSTERY ( All the events of our salvation happened in one single time period – the Biblical month of Nisan – Discover the mystery of Nisan, of your salvation, & the powers you have for breakthrough. )

    8. THE COSMIC KEYCHAIN ( As real as a keychain has many keys to unlock…a house – there is a supernatural keychain with supernatural power to unlock the closed doors of your life. )

    9. THE COSMIC KEYCHAIN II ( Messiah has given you a keychain with specific powers of breakthrough – learn how to use the keys & it will change your life. )

    10. ENTERING YOUR PROPHETIC DESTINY! ( One of the most important and very awesome principles operating in your life – and how to walk into your prophetic destiny…! )

    In the last chapter of [ The Harbinger ], Kaplan explains to Goren how he figured out the meaning of his personal clay seal…. Between the last sentence in the quote below and what can be seen from the titles above, the real mystery of The Harbinger may be that its foundation is actually Jewish mysticism:

    [Kaplan] "The writing on the seal was in a language I had never seen before. But I remembered the words of The Prophet that day we first met on the bench, when he took the seal to examine it. He said it was Hebrew, but a different form of Hebrew-Paleo-Hebrew, an older version."

    [Goren] "And did you know anybody who could read Paleo-Hebrew?"

    [Kaplan] "No. But I knew someone who studied Hebrew from biblical and rabbinical writings. I looked up the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet, then transcribed each of the letters into its modern Hebrew equivalent. Then I made a trip to Brooklyn. That's where my friend was, an Orthodox Jewish man who ran a little bookstore, in back of which was a study, a library of all sorts of mystical Hebrew writings. That was his passion-finding meaning in mystical Hebrew literature."

    The introduction of Jewish mystical writings into the storyline of The Harbinger is very problematic, and one has to wonder why Cahn would have done this.

    Mysticism and mystical experiences have been a part of Judaism since the earliest days. . . . The mystical school of thought came to be known as Kabbalah, from the Hebrew root Qof-Beit-Lamed, meaning "to receive, to accept." The word is usually translated as "tradition."

    "Kabbalah" is a doctrine of esoteric knowledge concerning God and the universe, asserted to have come down as a revelation to the Sages from a remote past, and preserved only by a privileged few. Kabbalah is considered part of the Jewish Oral Law. It is the traditional mystical understanding of the Torah…. Kabbalah includes the understanding of the spiritual spheres in creation, and the rules and ways by which God administers the existence of the Universe.

    Most forms of Kabbalah teach that every letter, word, number, and accent of scripture contains a hidden sense; and it teaches the methods of interpretation for ascertaining these occult meanings.

    That Cahn would include this reference to Jewish mysticism in the book is not necessarily an anomaly. Cahn gave a message at his church that also included detailed references to mystical writings, titled "Gulgatah: The Cosmic Skull: The Rabbinic Mysteries V."

    A segment from near the end of this message was uploaded to YouTube on February 25, 2010, titled "The Zohar Speaks." The following description accompanies the video: "Something never before revealed , to the glory of Messiah! The Cosmic Skull, the mercy of God, and the hidden and mystical writings of the Rabbis that point to Messiah." The description coincides exactly with the overall trajectory of Cahn's messages, and that of The Harbinger , which is to reveal to the world mysteries that have been hidden until he discovers and proclaims them.

    The Judaism 101 website notes the following:

    In the middle ages, many of these mystical teachings were committed to writing in books like the Zohar. Many of these writings were asserted to be secret ancient writings or compilations of secret ancient writings.

    Even though he introduces the Zohar as a "hostile witness," the way Cahn describes its teachings gives the impression that he views the Zohar as being a credible source of truth:

    Incredible thing. Blew me away. I found it in the mystical Jewish writings of the Zohar. Something I never heard mentioned anywhere, ever. . . . The Zohar speaks, the rabbis are writing of the redemption of the world with Messiah's coming. They speak of life from the dead. They speak of resurrection, the redemption of the world. . . .They say it all will come, the power of all this, the miracle of all this will come from a sacred thing, a sacred place. And this place, this thing, is where all the mercy of God is stored. All the mercy of God pours out from this place, this thing. What is it? Very strange. They call it the "gulgatah." This holy, mystical thing. . . .The most famous scene in human history, the center of salvation. Messiah dying on that hill which appears as a skull. That's why they called it "gulgatah"-Golgatha. And which signifies God's mercy. All His mercy. Why on earth would the rabbis put it there? Makes no sense at all-except that God just puts it in.

    "God just puts it in." In other words, God inspired the rabbis to write about redemption coming from a skull , yet they had no idea what it meant. So, in this message Cahn presents concepts that are reflected in The Harbinger . The first is that Isaiah:9:10 contains a mystery that no one has seen before-Cahn has discovered it for the very first time-just as he has discovered this inspired message in the ancient rabbinic writings. The second is that Tom Daschle was inspired by God to proclaim America's defiance and thus set up the nation for judgment-even though he didn't know what he was doing-just as is true of the ancient rabbis.

    As Cahn continues his exposition of the Zohar, the mystical nature of his thinking becomes even more clear. And once again he notes that perhaps no one has ever said the words he has just uttered:

    In the gulgatah-Golgotha-sit thousands of myriads of worlds. And from the gulgatah-Golgotha-drips dew and fills . . . the dew fills the world and the dead will awaken in the world to come as the dew comes forth. The dew is the light of the ancient one. The light of the ancient one comes from Golgotha and as it touches-the dead ones come to life. From Golgotha is the light of God bringing life from the dead. Golgotha-the radiance of God which brings life. Whoa! That's amazing stuff. And that may be the first time it's ever been said. 'Cause you have to be a believer and you have to be in that stuff.

    What stuff? Ancient mystical writings . Even more telling, Cahn confidently elevates the rabbis to the level of Moses and Daniel:

    The death of Messiah-all pinpointed in time and space. Moses zeroed in on the day. Passover. He dies on the day that the lamb is killed. The prophets-Daniel zeroes in on the time period, mathematically, before 70 A.D. Daniel-those seventy sevens. The rabbis in the book of Moed, unwittingly, and another thing we shared this [ sic ], zeroed in on the year by saying that the cosmic change all took place in the year 30 A.D. . . . And now the very hill, the very place, here in, of all places, the rabbinical writings, the Zohar. . . . you want mercy, you go there. Listen to the rabbis on this point. . . .

    How can a pastor instruct his congregation to "listen to the rabbis" who produced the Zohar and tell them these rabbis were inspired by God? The Zohar is not simply an innocuous source of information-it is an extrabiblical guide to "higher spirituality." It is mystical. It is occultic.

    The Zohar cannot be understood and felt directly, but requires preconception of spirituality, before one approaches the book. The greatest Kabbalist of our time-Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag (Baal HaSulam)-wrote introductions to The Zohar precisely to guide one's approach to this profound book….

    Such articles cultivate one's spiritual qualities to perceive the Higher reality. Additionally, these texts provide knowledge of how to approach certain terms, phrases, and concepts in The Zohar, to maximize its use as a guide for spiritual attainment, avoiding being lost in materialized depictions that the human mind is prone to form.

    Cahn [has since] tried to justify his practice by noting that the Apostle Paul also referred to the teaching of pagan philosophers in his address to the Athenians (Acts:17:22-31

    ). He went on to suggest that Paul would have been "crucified" by discernment ministries for using a hymn to Zeus, and because of his associations.

    That is a red herring…. Paul's approach is nothing like Cahn's. Cahn refers to the mystical rabbinical writings positively , saying that because God had inspired them his church should "listen to the rabbis." He presents the Zohar as something that can be studied and its depths plumbed for hidden mysteries like he has just revealed.

    In stark contrast, Paul immediately tells his audience that what they have been taught by their poets about the unknown god…is completely wrong . He does not suggest that their sayings contain hidden mysteries that were inspired by God…. Paul never implies that the Athenians should listen to these men. Rather he refers to a single point of agreement (we all come from God) to denounce their idols. From Romans we understand that the knowledge of that truth is not a hidden mystery, but has rather been made plain to everyone through both the conscience and the Creation (Romans:1:18-2:16).

    Unfortunately, this treatment of the rabbinic material is consistent with Cahn's frequent practice of "discovering and revealing" hidden mysteries-be it in the Bible or in extrabiblical Jewish writings like the Talmud or even in kabbalistic writings like the Zohar.

    Have untold numbers of Christians unwittingly accepted mystical Jewish thought? And after having done so, how many pastors, teachers, and other ministry leaders have preached messages connected to the claims of The Harbinger and have publicly endorsed, promoted, and defended the book and Jonathan Cahn? How many have shared this book and the documentary with unbelieving family and friends? How many millions of dollars have gone into keeping The Harbinger on so many best-seller lists?

    Something seems to be very wrong….

    October 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM
  47. Rafael #

    CONCERNING JOSE J. BERNAL AUTHOR OF THE BOOK THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HARBINGER:

    JOSE J. BERNAL A MINISTER UNDER THE PASTORAL LEADERSHIP OF JONATHAN CAHN BELIEVES IT'S OKAY FOR CHRISTIAN BIBLE SCHOLARS(INCLUDING HIMSELF & JONATHAN CAHN) TO USE THE ZOHAR, A JEWISH MYSTICAL SATANIC BIBLE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR APOLOGETICS.

    Jose J. Bernal said:
    "Isn't it amazing how God uses Paul in Acts 17 to teach the pagans from their own writings on Mar's Hill and how in Apologetics even the Book of Zohar unwittingly supports the Gospel because it has been used by faithful witness Apologists as a "hostile witness" of the Gospel? Only God can do such things; turn something like the Book of Zohar into a tool that bears witness that Jesus is the Messiah! Thank you."

    "The only thing that I would use the Zohar for and the Talmud would be for the same use that eminent Messianic Jews such as Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Dr. Michael Rygelnik, Dr. Michael Brown, Dr. Mitch Glazer, and many more, such as Pastor and Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn would use such works for; to affirm from them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is called in Apologetics "the fair use of a hostile witness" to affirm a specific matter".

    KABBALAH

    by Avram Yehoshua

    Kabbalah is an attempt on the part of some Jewish men and women, to seek the God of Israel through mystical and Gnostic means. For many centuries it was well outside normative Judaism, although today it has permeated into Orthodox Judaism and also claims many 'secular' Jewish (and Gentile) adherents. Kabbalah is a counterfeit of Satan. The main reason for this is that man is seen as having to restore the fallen world by his efforts which will bring about the coming of Messiah. Also, the 'way' to God is accomplished through rigorous fasting and spiritual disciplines that are outside the realm of the Bible. This is common to most false religions that seek union with the Divine. (In this article, all italics have been added by me for emphasis.)

    David Stern writes that the Hasidim and the Kabbalists, impatient for Messiah and redemption, force His Hand by '…years of ruthless mortification of their flesh. In each case, of course, they were prevented, by death, by Satan, or by some sin which they committed'1 of compelling Messiah to come:

    'In one of these legends…the 14th century Rabbi Joseph Della Reina ('of the Queen') attempts, with the help of the Prophet Elijah, to destroy Satan (disguised as a black dog), using God's secret names. But he doesn't follow Elijah's instructions to the letter and thus fails in his task. Later he goes astray, having illicit sexual relations with none other than the Queen of France (hence his name), and ultimately commits suicide.'2

    We have serious biblical problems with the rabbi 'using God's secret names to destroy Satan' and the meeting with Elijah to help him do so. This, aside from the fact that he committed suicide. Trying to force God's Hand or to destroy Satan is pride masquerading in religious clothing.

    One must ask, 'If Kabbalah were really of Yahveh, the God of Israel, than why didn't the rabbi know or come to find out about Yeshua, the Redeemer of Israel?' And why hasn't anyone within Kabbalah proclaimed in the last 2,000 years, that Yeshua is the Messiah, if they actually make contact with the God of Israel?

    Another rabbi of fame and stature within Hasidic and Kabbalistic circles is Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav (1772-1811). The following story is attributed to him:

    '…Satan, disguised as a merchant, prevents a rabbi's son from meeting with a great tzaddik (holy man). In the end the son dies. The rabbi again encounters the merchant, who tells him, 'Now I have dispatched your son… had he and the tzaddik met and joined forces, the Messiah would have come.'

    Kabbalah is a mixture of demonic activity, pagan philosophy, gnosticism and the Hebrew Bible. Kabbalah is,

    'The mystical religious stream in Judaism… In all periods it was influenced by foreign spiritual currents, such as gnosticism and neoplatonism3…'4

    'A distinction was usually made between theoretical and practical Kabbalah; the latter consisted of the use of Divine or Holy Names, the permutation and combination of Hebrew letters, magical formulae (amulets), etc. for healing the sick and other practical purposes and also for eschatological and genuinely mystical ends (hastening the advent of the messiah, inducing states of mystical or ecstatic experience, etc.).5

    The use of Divine names 'to get to God' is not the Way of Yahveh. The fruit of this is seen in that magic and amulets are used. This is sin as it goes against Yahveh's Word in His Torah (Deut. 18:10, 14). These Jewish mystics opened a spiritual door, but not one you want to go through. Notice too the eclectic 6 and over-arching nature of it ('In all periods it was influenced by foreign spiritual currents…'). What could Kabbalah have picked up from pagan mysticism and philosophy (about Creation, etc.), outside of Israel and the Word of Yahveh?

    Gnosticism 7 is a 'secret knowing' designed to entice those into a 'mystery religion' where the doing of certain religious things (asceticism, 'spiritual disciplines, etc.), is 'the way to contact the god' or 'the way to appease the god for sin and guilt' and or 'the way to eternal life.' Kabbalah holds out the same incentive. Kabbalah is nothing more than gnosticism with a Jewish twist to it.

    Notice too, if they were really 'in touch' with Yahveh, there would be no need to 'hasten the advent of Messiah', as they would declare that Yeshua came and will come again. So who is it that they are 'in touch' with?

    'Jewish religion is in principle opposed to magic because the ultimate source of everything is the absolutely free and sovereign will of God which can never be coerced. The only proper attitude is therefore prayer…'8

    Sorcery and magic are prohibited by the Bible (Exod. 22:17) but the Talmud, while proscribing the practice as heathenish, admits its efficacy. Members of the Sanhedrin were supposed to have had a thorough knowledge of magic and sorcery, and legends are told of rabbis using 'white' magic. Healing by magic is condemned only when specifically pagan or idolatrous. The magic of names (Divine names, Tetragrammaton, names of angels, permutations and combinations of Hebrew letters or scriptural quotations), whether in amulets or spoken formulas, flourished at all times but particularly under the influence of Kabbalah… Some scholars believe that the tephillin and mezuzah originated as amulets.'9

    The amulet is an object 'worn as a charm against evil, consisting usually of sacred letters or symbols: names of angels or demons are often written in geometric patters, etc. Such charms were common in the ancient Middle East… In the Talmudic and gaonic periods, amulets were widely worn and their use was recognized, though not specifically approved, by rabbis. With the development of the later Kabbalah and its insistence on the efficacy of combinations of letters of the Divine names, the vogue of amulets became universal, and their preparation was regarded as a rabbinic function.'10

    'The first signs of Jewish mysticism can be fond in the 1st century while the study of the Dead Sea Scrolls may date knowledge on the subject even earlier.'11 'Jewish mysticism' was picked up in Babylon. It was Babylonian paganism (the basis for gnosticism), that some Jewish men living in Babylon adopted and adapted to the Hebrew Bible (using the Bible for its Names and numbers, etc.), giving Babylonian gnosticism its 'Jewish clothes.' Some of these 'clothes' came because of the need of the Jewish People:

    'The religious syncretism (the mingling and fusion of various oriental religions, mythologies, semi-philosophical notions, etc.) of the period, as well as the messianic speculations encouraged by the national and political disasters in Palestine (sic) fostered a special kind of interest in the Bible which stressed its eschatological and mystical tendencies.'12

    Note well the different religious and secular things that make up Kabbalah. This cannot be of the God of Israel who desires purity and wholeness and whose Word is Truth. Part of the enticement of Kabbalah is the goal of being in the Presence of God. This is a godly desire. But the way they 'get there' is not, devising and using 'secret names' of God, etc.

    'Closed circles from among the pupils of Rabbi Yohanan ben Zakai (1st-2nd century), concerned themselves with the mysteries of Creation and the nature of the Divine Throne or 'Chariot… These gnosticising types of study were termed Pardes.'13

    'Later writings depict seven celestial palaces or worlds populated by angels praising and serving the deity; in the last or seventh palace, the throne of Divine glory rises. Prepared by a rigorous mystical discipline, and sanctified though fasting and religious ecstasy, the adepts or, as they were called 'viewers of the Merkavah' (Divine chariot), experienced the ascent of their soul though worlds and heavens, and amid lurking dangers, from palace to palace, until they reached the point where they beheld the radiance of the Divine presence and the divine throne. To the soul which achieves this vision are revealed the secrets of creation, the ways of the angels, and the date of Redemption and of the advent of the Messiah.'14

    The Lord tells us in His Word that there are mysteries that we should not concern ourselves with. Even the traditional Rabbis caution us to not get too involved with four things: the ancient past and the distant future; the things above and the things below. Why not? Because we can only go around and around in circles with them. On the other hand, we have been given what to do by Yahveh and He tells us not to be concerned with the 'mysteries' or 'secrets' of Creation, His Name, etc:

    'The secret things belong to Yahveh our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this Law.' (Deut. 29:29)

    It is the Word of God that we are to pursue and meditate on and not to get entangled with the 'spiritual' things of darkness that masquerade as Light. As 2nd Cor. 11:14 says, 'No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of Light.' We have our 'contact' with the Holy One through His Son's Sacrificial Blood and His Holy Spirit. But in Kabbalah, there is a schematic, philosophical system of ten levels, known as sephirot, that one must climb in order to achieve this revelation.

    The goal for the Kabbalists of Gerona (Spain in the 13th century) was 'to achieve communion wth God through concentration in prayer and the mediation of the sephirot.'15 The meditation of the sepher yetzirah uses the 'creative force of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet and propounds the doctrine of ten sephirot though which the world came into being.'16

    'The climax of Spanish kabbalism was the appearance of the Zohar,17 connected with Moses de Leon (d. 1305). All later kabbalistic systems derived from the Zohar, which teaches the self-manifestation or revelation of God through the Divine sephirot which He emanated. En-soph, the transcendent God, remains forever beyond the grasp of the human mind which can only comprehend the sephirot.'18

    'After death, the human soul is judged and allotted to paradise, hell or transmigration in human or animal form in order to make restitution and be cleansed. The Zohar traces all Kabbalah to the Pentateuch, interpreting every word or letter mystically.'19

    Transmigration is not found in the Word of God but in many false religions of the world whose philosophy states that if you don't make it the first time around, you get to try it again. It's also known as reincarnation.

    'Man must restore the damage' (of fallen Creation), 'by releasing the holy sparks from defilement (Tikkun). The complete restoration will lead to redemption and the advent of the Messiah. Tikkun is accomplished by observance of the commandments, study of the Torah and mystic mediation.20

    The idea that Man can and must 'restore the damage' of sin is totally foreign to the Word of God. Only God can redeem Man from his fallen and sinful state and He has done this in Messiah Yeshua. Anyone who thinks that they can help God do this, or do it for God is deceived.

    Alfred Edersheim writes, '…neither Eastern mystical Judaism, nor the philosophy of Philo, could admit of any direct contact between God and creation. The Kabbalah solved the difficulty by their Sephiroth, or emanations from God, through which this contact was ultimately brought about, and of which the En-soph, or crown, was the spring'21 (or first of the ten emanations that man could 'climb' like a ladder to actually 'get to God.')

    This is totally foreign to the Scriptures. Yahveh has made it possible for both Jew and Gentile 'to make contact' with Him here on earth, and be received into His Glory on the Day of Judgment, not by any 'works' (fasting, etc.), of man, but by His Grace, Mercy and Love.

    Kabbalism was able to meld into main line Orthodox Judaism through Hasidism. At first, in the 18th and 19th centuries, the Orthodox vehemently rejected the Hasidic teaching that anyone could know God (verses the Orthodox tenet that only the learned Rabbis could interpret the Word and give advice and know God.

    '…kabbalism was absorbed into the doctrine of Hasidism which popularized the mystic teachings…'22

    As Hasidism grew, it began to meld with the Orthodox, adopting some of their ways and giving the Orthodox much of its teachings and symbols. Kabbalah means, 'to hand down'23 or 'that which has been received'24 from the verb 'kibel'. There is no doubt as to its 'ancientness' and that it has 'come down' to us. There is also no question that Kabbalah is an 'alternative' form of religion. As such, it runs totally contrary to the Word of God, both written and Alive. It is just another of many satanic 'voices' calling for the souls of Jewish men and women. It also has become aceptable within some Messianic Jewish congregations. More subtle than all the beasts of the field is the Serpent.

    'Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the Blood of Yeshua, by a new and living way, which He has consecrated for us, through the Veil, that is to say, His flesh and having a High Priest over the House of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure Water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for He is faithful that promised), and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: (Hebrews 10:19-24)

    November 30, 2013 at 3:26 AM
    • Rafael #

      leave it as it is.

      November 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM
    • Rafael #

      leave it as it is.

      November 30, 2013 at 9:27 AM
  48. Rafael #

    Jose Bernal made the following statement with regards to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud and I quote:

    "The only thing that I would use the Zohar for and the Talmud would be for the same use that eminent Messianic Jews such as Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Dr. Michael Rygelnik, Dr. Michael Brown, Dr. Mitch Glazer, and many more, such as Pastor and Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn would use such works for; to affirm from them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is called in Apologetics "the fair use of a hostile witness" to affirm a specific matter".

    THE REAL TRUTH BEHIND THE JEWISH BABYLONIAN TALMUD:

    THE JEWISH TALMUD is "Holy Writ" for the Jews.

    The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.

    The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.

    But the Messiah Jesus censored the "Oral Law" when He said, "By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God." (St Matthew 15).

    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the "satanic verses" contained in the original Hebrew.

    The "Satanic Verses" of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories:

    1) Jewish Supremacy.
    2) Hatred Towards The "Goys" (Gentiles).
    3) Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, & All Christians.

    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD'S
    "JEWISH SUPREMACY"

    * "If a `goy' (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed." (Sanhedrin 58b)

    *"If a Jew finds an object lost by a `goy' it does not have to be returned." (Baba Mezia 24a)

    * "If a Jew murders a `goy' there will be no death penalty." (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * What a Jew steals from a `goy' he may keep." (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * "Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a `goy.'" (Baba Kamma 113a)

    * "All children of the `goyim' (Gentiles) are animals." (Yebamoth 98a)

    * "Girls born of the `goyim' are in a state of `niddah' (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth." (Abodah Zarah 36b)

    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD'S
    HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES

    * "The `goyim' are not humans. They are beasts." (Baba Mezia 114b)

    * "If you eat with a `goy' it is the same as eating with a dog." (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

    * "Even the best of the `goyim' should all be killed." (Soferim 15)

    * "Sexual intercourse between the `goyim' is like intercourse between animals." (Sanhedrin 74b)

    * "When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice." (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De `ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD'S
    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS

    * "`Yashu' (derogatory for `Jesus') is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement." (Gittin 57a)

    ['Yashu' is an acronym for the Jewish curse, `May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.']

    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick." (Sanhedrin 107b)

    * "Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent." (Sotah 47a)

    * "Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men." (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

    * "She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters." (Sanhedrin 106a)

    * "Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations." (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

    November 30, 2013 at 3:30 AM
  49. B2C #

    Did you read the book?

    December 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM
  50. B2C #

    I completely agree with you!
    The next Shemitah is coming on 9/13/15 and the last blood moon will happen a couple weeks later. It won't be too long before we find out.
    The wise will prepare to meet the Lord, and pray to be found worthy to escape the coming judgment. I applaud Rabbi Cahn for his courage, and his willingness to be politically incorrect.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM
  51. Rafael #

    Jose Bernal author of the book: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HARBINGER made the following statement with regards to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud and I quote:

    "The only thing that I would use the Zohar for and the Talmud would be for the same use that eminent Messianic Jews such as Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Dr. Michael Rygelnik, Dr. Michael Brown, Dr. Mitch Glazer, and many more, such as Pastor and Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn would use such works for; to affirm from them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is called in Apologetics "the fair use of a hostile witness" to affirm a specific matter".

    THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD CAN BE USED TO AFFIRM THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST???

    THE UNDERLYING TRUTH BEHIND THE JEWISH BABYLONIAN TALMUD'S PERVERTED DOCTRINES:

    THE JEWISH TALMUD is "Holy Writ" for the Jews.

    The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.

    The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.

    But the Messiah Jesus censored the "Oral Law" when He said, "By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God." (St Matthew 15).

    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the "satanic verses" contained in the original Hebrew.

    The "Satanic Verses" of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories:

    1) Jewish Supremacy.
    2) Hatred Towards The "Goys" (Gentiles).
    3) Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, & All Christians.

    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD'S
    "JEWISH SUPREMACY"

    * "If a `goy' (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed." (Sanhedrin 58b)

    *"If a Jew finds an object lost by a `goy' it does not have to be returned." (Baba Mezia 24a)

    * "If a Jew murders a `goy' there will be no death penalty." (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * What a Jew steals from a `goy' he may keep." (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * "Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a `goy.'" (Baba Kamma 113a)

    * "All children of the `goyim' (Gentiles) are animals." (Yebamoth 98a)

    * "Girls born of the `goyim' are in a state of `niddah' (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth." (Abodah Zarah 36b)

    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD'S
    HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES

    * "The `goyim' are not humans. They are beasts." (Baba Mezia 114b)

    * "If you eat with a `goy' it is the same as eating with a dog." (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

    * "Even the best of the `goyim' should all be killed." (Soferim 15)

    * "Sexual intercourse between the `goyim' is like intercourse between animals." (Sanhedrin 74b)

    * "When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice." (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De `ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD'S
    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS

    * "`Yashu' (derogatory for `Jesus') is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement." (Gittin 57a)

    ['Yashu' is an acronym for the Jewish curse, `May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.']

    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick." (Sanhedrin 107b)

    * "Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent." (Sotah 47a)

    * "Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men." (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

    * "She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters." (Sanhedrin 106a)

    * "Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations." (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

    SEXUALLY PERVERTED CITATIONS IN THE TALMUD:

    So that you may better understand the CORRUPT DOCTRINES, MORAL DECAY and background of Rabbi Simeon Ben Yohai, I will quote the following passages and practices condoned by Rabbi Yohai to his jewish followers from YEBAMOTH 60B WHICH LEGALIZED SEXUAL RELATIONS between jewish priests and 3 year old girls: It was taught by Rabbi Simeon Ben Yohai who stated: A proselyte who is under the age of 3 years old and 1 day is PERMIITED TO MARRY A PRIEST. For it is said, but all the women children that have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas who was a priest (the footnote says) was with them.

    KETHUBOTH 11B: SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH CHILDREN
    When a grownup man has sexual intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing. For when the girl is less than 3 years old, it is as if one puts his finger into the eye(in other words her virginity will return back to her). But when a small boy has intercourse with a grownup woman, he makes her as a girl who was injured by a piece of wood.

    BABYLONIAN TALMUD SANHEDRIN 54b
    "…..A child less than 9 years old can not be the subject of SODOMY"!

    A RABBI WHO HAD SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH EVERY WHORE IN THE WORLD;

    FROM THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD WE READ THE FOLLOWING: "ABODAH ZARAH 17A STATES THAT THERE IS NOT A WHORE IN THE WORLD THAT THE TALMUDIC SAGE RABBI ELEAZAR HAS NOT HAD SEX WITH".

    ADAM HAD SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ALL THE ANIMALS IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. BABYLONIAN TALMUD YEBAMOTH 63A.

    GENTILES ARE INCLINED TO BESTIALITY. LEWDNESS AND MURDER. GENTILES PREFER SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH COWS MORE THAN THEIR OWN WIVES. EVE HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH THE SERPENT, TRANSMITTING LUST TO THE GENTILES, FROM WHICH THE ISRAELITES ARE EXEMPT. BABYLONIAN TALMUD ABODAH ZARAH 22A.

    A WOMAN WHO HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A BEAST IS ELIGIBLE TO MARRY A JEWISH PRIEST. A WOMAN WHO HAS SEX WITH ADAIC HU DEMON IS ALSO ELIGIBLE TO MARRY A JEWISH PRIEST. BABYLONIAN TALMUD YEBAMOTH 59B.

    "HUSBANDS MAY TREAT THEIR WIVES LIKE MEAT FROM THE BUTCHER SHOP"
    THE TALMUD PERMITS THE JUDAIC HUSBAND TO SODOMIZE HIS WIFE TO HIS HEART'S CONTENT, SINCE THE CHAZAL/TALMUDIC RABBINICAL SAGES DECREE THAT SHE IS NOT ENTIRELY A HUMAN BEING, BUT RATHER A PIECE OF MEAT FROM A BUTCHER SHOP. ANAL SEX AND OTHER PRACTICES ARE PERMISSIBLE TO THE JUDAIC HUSBAND BECAUSE IN HIS RELATIONS WITH HIS WIFE, HE IS DEALING NOT WITH A WOMAN, BUT MEAT, THE DESIGNATION FEMINISTS RIGHTLY DECRY AND HERE IS A RELIGION THAT FORMERLY PRECRIBES IT. IN CONSIDERING WHICH SEXUAL PRACTICES ARE FITTING FOR THE HUSBAND AND WIFE, THE TALMUD STATES CONCERNING INTIMATE RELATIONS WITH THE JUDAIC WIFE: "MEAT WHICH COMES FROM THE BUTCHER MAY BE EATEN SALTED. ROASTED, COOKED OR BOILED; SO WITH FISH FROM THE FISHMONGER"- BABYLONIAN TALMUD NEDARIM 20.

    RABBIS INTELLECTUALLY MORE SUPERIOR THAN GOD:
    GOD INTERVENES IN A RABBINIC DISPUTE AND IS LOGICALLY DEFEATED BY A RABBI. THE COMMANDS OF THE RABBIS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE COMMANDS OF THE BIBLE. WHOEVER DISOBEYS THE RABBIS DESERVES DEATH AND WILL BE PUNISHED IN HELL WITH BOILING EXCREMENT-BABYLONIAN TALMUD ERUBIN 21B.

    TALMUD CITATIONS CONCERNING CHRISTIANITY:

    CHRISTIANS ARE ALLIED WITH HELL, AND CHRISTIANITY IS WORSE THAN INCEST-BABYLONIAN TALMUD AVODAH ZARAH 17A.

    GOING TO PROSTITUTES IS THE SAME AS BECOMING A CHRISTIAN-BABYLONIAN TALMUD AVODAH ZARAH 17A.

    THOSE WHO READ THE GOSPELS ARE DOOMED TO HELL-BABYLONIAN TALMUD SANHEDRIN 90A.

    WHEN THE MESSIAH COMES, HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS-BABYLONIAN TALMUD SANHEDRIN 99A.

    CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS WHO REJECT THE TALMUD WILL GO TO HELL AND BE PUNISHED THERE FOR ALL GENERATIONS-BABYLONIAN TALMUD SANHEDRIN 90A.

    THOSE WHO READ THE NEW TESTAMENT WILL HAVE NO PORTION IN THE WORLD TO COME-BABYLONIAN TALMUD ROSH HASHANAH 17A.

    JEWS MUST DESTROY THE BOOKS OF THE CHRISTIANS i.e. the NEW TESTAMENT: THE BOOKS OF THE CHRISTIANS MAY NOT BE SAVED FROM A FIRE, BUT THEY MUST BE BURNT IN THEIR PLACE-BABYLONIAN TALMUD SHABBAT 116A.

    December 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM
  52. Rafael #

    keep it as it is thank you.

    December 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM
  53. Alexd #

    When Christ was asked about future prophets, he did not say that there will not be any new prophets.

    He gave us a measuring stick. He said by their fruits you will know them.

    He could have just said don't worry about it there's not going to be any more prophets but he didn't say that.

    Christ went through the trouble of explaining how you can tell if they are true which indicated that there will be future prophets.

    There are always going to be naysayers like in the time of Christ.
    In spite of all the evidence, many still did not believe in him.

    I wonder how many of these so called "cautious" people would recognize Christ if they actually saw him.

    If you don't believe there was a covenant with God and America, I think you should read the books The Covenant by Timothy Ballard or The Covenant, Lincoln, and the War by Timothy Ballard.

    There are a lot of evidence to suggest that America is under covenant and is considered a promise land.

    I remember in the 80's many Christians were strong in the political arena but now many are sitting on there hands waiting and praying for the rapture to come. To me this is a wake up call to get off your hands and do something because those who do nothing are just as guilty of those who do wrong.

    "Evil abounds when good people do nothing"

    The Lord is letting us know he is doing something and he uses people to let us.
    Check out the upcoming movie Heaven is for Real.
    God uses people to let us know about what he is doing. We need to be spiritually in tune in order to get confirmation from the Holy Ghost.
    Don't expect confirmation from naysayers.

    January 22, 2014 at 6:00 AM
  54. Alexd #

    When Christ was asked about how to tell a prophet is true, he didn't quote any scripture regarding being perfect or "100% accurate".

    He gave a new test. He said by their fruits you will know them.
    Every good tree will once in a while bear a bad fruit for some reason or another.
    But for the most part it is a good tree if it bears good fruit.

    I am more concern about some of these distractors. I wonder who they work for?
    I really question people who expect perfection in a messenger when the Bible shows that many messengers were not perfect and some had some serious issues.

    I question people with the name Holly G.
    What are they trying to suggest that they are related to the Holy Ghost or imply that in some way?

    You know that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is the only unforgiveable sin?!

    You see you can demonize anyone. It isn't difficult.

    Didn't people try to demonize Christ?

    January 22, 2014 at 6:21 AM
  55. Alexd #

    Another distractor using rearranging letters from the word Angel to make up their name?

    I wonder who these distractors are really working for?

    We will find out soon if Johnathon Cahn is correct when September 13th, 2015 comes around.

    I can guess that their will be distractors after that event also.
    The question will still be who are they working for?

    January 22, 2014 at 6:28 AM
  56. Jose J. Bernal #

    Thank you, Alexd for exposing this charlatan WHO GOES BY MANY NAMES – RAFAEL, GABRIEL, LEGMA, SERAPHIM REMIEL, – who impersonates an angel of light, but is nothing but a messenger of darkness, calumnies, and destruction. Note that his purpose to fill these discussion pages – as he did with Amazon.com – with slander and libel against others; Jonathan Cahn, and myself.

    Because I have written and published The Truth about The Harbinger: Addressing the Controversy and Discovering the Facts About This Prophetic Message, biblically addressing the false and unbiblical charges, accusations, and theology of Mr. David James, who was commissioned by Jimmy DeYoung to investigate (search and destroy) only days after The Harbinger was released.

    The Harbinger was released on January 3, 2012. Jimmy DeYoung watched an interview three days later aired on CBN’s 700 Club where Rabbi Cahn was a guest of Pat Robertson's. Jimmy DeYoung did not like it, and he made his feelings and opinions known to David James. Contacting him via e-mail, David James then watched the same program and was asked by Jimmy DeYoung if he could read the book, and they could discuss on January 7, only a day later.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:47 PM
  57. Jose J. Bernal #

    CONTINUED…….

    David James speed-read a copy of The Harbinger with the intent of finding fault with it, and went public the next day on Prophecy Today as a guest of Jimmy DeYoung’s to trash the book and its author. The rest of the year, they and two other men – Brannon Howse, and Thomas McMahon worked very hard to destroy the ministry of Jonathan Cahn and his good name in the guise of "discernment." It was Thomas McMahon, who had taken the reins of control at The Berean Call, who offered to publish David James’ “findings” in book form. For months Jonathan Cahn was subjected to the most intense scrutiny and attack I have ever witnessed a Christian Evangelical be subjected to by others of his same faith in my lifetime.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:48 PM
  58. Jose J. Bernal #

    CONTINUED…….

    Everyone here knows that without presenting evidence, all one has to do is use the epithet of "false teacher," or "false prophet," and such irresponsible words when used against a ministry or a pastor can be a death sentence to any ministry and the person who serves in it, because most people do not check things out for themselves and go almost entirely on hearsay, especially if it is being done by a reputable ministry such as The Berean Call.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM
  59. Jose J. Bernal #

    CONTINUED…….

    But God in His grace vindicates His servants when this happens and those who engage in such practices not only diminish themselves in their to diminish and destroy others, but they are diminished by God Himself, because they bear false witness against His servants, and if they do not repent and take remedial action by publicly apologizing for their words and behavior towards their brother, but harden their necks against conviction and grieve the Holy Spirit of God; they are then given over to their delusion, and fall headlong into their own self-destruction, and their works will be burned up at God's judgment of these things, but they will be saved by God's grace in Christ, but as a man who has just made it through the fire.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM
  60. Jose J. Bernal #

    CONTINUED…….

    Any one of us can fall into this if we allow the pride of our hearts to swell up and shut our hearts and eyes to God when He convicts our wrongdoing. We must humble ourselves before His mighty hand that in due time, He may exalt His work in us – not us, but His work in us, so that Christ may be exalted in all, as the Scriptures say.

    I was compelled by God to help in correcting this, and worked towards addressing ever charge, every contention, every accusation, every report, every post, and every radio interview. I am almost finished with this as of this writing in doing this, and only make my entries here, because of the level of slander and false reports I’ve read here that must be addressed biblically and rationally.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM
  61. Jose J. Bernal #

    CONTINUED…….

    I have repeatedly rebutted every one of Mr. James' and Legma's contentions biblically on Amazon.com, on my website, The Pepster’s Post: A Voice in Cyberspace, and in my book, The Truth about The Harbinger: Addressing the Controversy and Discovering the Facts About This Prophetic Message, as well as in various venues where these two critics have made themselves heard. I have not taken any pleasure in doing this, because David James is a brother in the faith, and because I would rather serve the Lord teaching rather than rebutting another brother’s misunderstanding about someone I’ve known and what he teaches.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:53 PM
  62. Jose J. Bernal #

    CONTINUED…….

    I am now winding down on this, and finishing work on a few final rebuttals that, as the Lord wills it, I will post on my website in the coming weeks. Then I will move on to other projects and works for the Lord which await. I am currently teaching on the resurrection at Beth Israel's Arise and Shine Academy at the Jerusalem Center in Wayne, NJ, and my lectures will form what is going to be the body of a book I have been writing on the topic as an apologetic against another work against the resurrection. Lord willing I will publish this work this year.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:53 PM
  63. CONTINUED…….

    WHY JONATHAN CAHN IS NOT A FALSE TEACHER OR FALSE PROPHET ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES

    In another Amazon.com message board, I and David James were engaging another critic of The Harbinger who had not read any of the books, and made the following statements:

    Your wrote: There is much about what Jesus reportedly said that I do NOT agree with. Here something Jesus reportedly said about the last days I do agree with:'

    "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many."

    Jonathan Cahn "could" be one of these many false prophets that are misleading many.

    MY ANSWER: First, I agree with David, and I’ll ask you to stay to topic, because the topic of our discussion and your questions has been about the Messiah, Yeshua/Jesus, not me, not David, not anybody else.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:02 PM
  64. Next, regarding what you wrote, Torah sets the following guidelines as to what a false prophet is. This is from the Hebrew Bible, which you, I, and David believe is God’s Word:

    “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM
  65. You shall follow the Lord your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.

    (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)

    March 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM
  66. Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

    March 20, 2014 at 10:07 PM
  67. But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.” But Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”

    (Acts 8:9-24)

    March 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM
  68. We see then another trait of the false prophet is greed and a desire to call away from God and unto himself. Simon thought he could purchase God’s gift and His favor. So it can also be added that:

    6.)God’s prophet does not seek self-glorification by turning people’s attention away from the Lord and unto himself.
    7.)God’s prophet would not seek to amass for himself wealth or possessions.
    8.)Nor God’s prophet could be bribed.
    9.)No prophet of God would declare “Jesus is accursed.”
    10.)A true prophet of God declares and bears witness that Jesus is Lord, and teaches it.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM
  69. 11.)We are not to believe every spirit that prophesies, but test the spirits to see if they are from God.
    12.)There are many false prophets, while the obverse is also true; there are many prophets of God as well, otherwise the command to “test the spirits” would not be given.
    13.)The true prophet of God affirms the historical, physical appearance of Jesus to Israel as prophesied by Israel’s prophets in the Hebrew Bible and recorded in the living records of His appearance in the land as B’nai Yisrael/Son of Israel to the nation as its Goel (Redeemer/Kinsman, or Fellow countryman, a Jew). This distinction had to be made because of Gnostic teachings had crept into the church.
    14.)God’s prophet confesses Jesus, that is; he confesses Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah

    March 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM
  70. Under this biblical metric, your accusation against Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is unbiblical and unwarranted, for he has not denied Jesus, but affirmed Him as both Lord and Messiah; hasn’t cursed His name, but blessed it many times over; has never denied Jesus’ coming to Israel in bodily form; has never made a prophetic prediction that has not come to pass, in fact in all my years that I’ve known him personally, I have never heard make any predictions. Even his book The Harbinger makes no predictions.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:10 PM
  71. Nor has Jonathan Cahn ever advocated that God’s people ever worship anyone but Lord their God – YHWH through Yeshua/Jesus His Messiah, in His name; and has never said that anyone should ever break any of His commandments. Nor has he ever attempted to amass wealth, or taken a bribe, or called attention to himself, but always has sought and seeks people to God by bringing them every time to the feet of the Master, the Lord Jesus at Golgotha/Calvary where the Messiah died for their sins. Therefore under the biblical metric Jonathan Cahn cannot be called a false prophet, and to do so would be a gross breach of the biblical standard by which such determinations are made.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:10 PM
  72. We see it in an article written by Jeremy James titled, A Prophetic Dream in The Harbinger is suspiciously like a Prophetic Dream acclaimed by American Freemasons, that he wrote in Ireland on June 30th, 2012, where he brings up what in his opinion connects The Harbinger to Free Masonry, a preposterous connection, because Jonathan Cahn is neither a Free Mason, and his use of a dream in his book is as a fictional vehicle to present the elements where great men of history connect in the founding of their nations – one in the founding of the united tribes of all Israel where as its King and earthly ruler, Solomon consecrates the nation through his consecration of the temple in Jerusalem, the capital of his kingdom where he and his father built, but which Solomon finished;

    March 20, 2014 at 10:12 PM
  73. and the connection with George Washington, who after taking the Oath of Office as the first President of the United States, led a procession of America's first congress and senate and other leaders from what is today Wall Street to St. Paul's Chapel on the corner of what is today Ground Zero, where America's leaders in their first official act, consecrated the new nation to God in prayer for His blessings and protection over the land and its people.

    The significance of this, of course, is lost on David James and other critics of The Harbinger, who forget that this prayer of consecration made for God's protection and blessing over the new nation, was and continues to this day, to be this nation's bilateral agreement to live according to the Judeo-Christian precepts of God's Word as a free and independent nation under God and indivisible. Call it what you like, it was made by these men, and there is no other nation under heaven which was founded in such a way.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:12 PM
  74. About Washington’s Masonic connections: People; that is, human beings, tend to associate one’s personal walk and faith in God with their associations, public statements, and other “evidences” of their religious fraternal “affiliations.” God looks at the heart, and that is where we are to look as well. How can we know? How can we discern that a person is genuine versus a charlatan? The life of the person. The redeemed conduct themselves in a manner that is most distinct from the rest of humanity, and it has been this way from ancient times right down to this day. I don’t mean religious, but a real change in attitude’s expressions, behavior, tastes, actions, and primarily love for God and His Word, and service to others

    March 20, 2014 at 10:13 PM
  75. As to why they wished to enshrine him as some pagan god on the capitol’s rotunda, he had nothing to do with this, so why would anyone in their right mind criticize him for something he had absolutely nothing to do with, or any control of, that others did long after he was dead and buried? This is only fodder to continue to milk the cow of criticism against The Harbinger. And no, there is no morphing in The Harbinger, as David James describes it here and in his book.

    David James wrote: “Solomon didn't morph into Washington? Call it what you will, but the text speaks for itself” ….. “Morphed, transformed, became, replaced, etc.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:14 PM
  76. "And how did you know it was King Solomon?" "He was wearing a crown and what seemed to be a royal robe of gold. And I just knew, the way you just know things in a dream . . . intuitively."

    "So King Solomon was speaking to the crowd . . . and saying what?"

    "I couldn't tell or understand. But after he finished speaking, he turned back toward the Temple, knelt down, covered his head with the golden robe, and lifted his hands to the sky. He was praying. He was leading the people in prayer. And as they prayed, I was walking through their midst . . . through crowds . . . toward the platform where the king was kneeling. I approached him. He was now just a few feet away from me. But I could only see him from the back since he was turned in the opposite direction. He stood up, still facing the Temple and with the golden robe still covering his head. And then he turned around, I saw his face . . . and it wasn't him."

    March 20, 2014 at 10:14 PM
  77. "What do you mean it wasn't him?" she asked.

    "It wasn't King Solomon anymore," he answered.

    "Then who was it?"

    "It was Washington."

    "Washington . . . as in the president?"

    Cahn, Jonathan (2011-09-03). The Harbinger: The ancient mystery that holds the secret of America's future (p. 193). Strang Communications. Kindle Edition.
    ______________

    “One can spin this all they want – and it may have been a very poor way for Jonathan Cahn to try to convey what he was thinking – but it is what it is. It's not like his critics made this up – and it was one of the most dramatic scenes in the entire book – and it is disturbing.”

    March 20, 2014 at 10:15 PM
  78. MY ANSWER: It was a dream David. Have you ever had a dream? It was a dream, and in dreams such things happen. Tell me what’s wrong about someone having a dream where they’re in one place with someone and all of a sudden, they’re somewhere else, and in somebody else’s company? Have you ever had a dream where that’s happened? I have. And I’ve had dreams similar to this one where I’m at one place and all of a sudden I’m someplace else and in the company of other people in an instant. And this disturbs you? Why does it disturb you, David?

    March 20, 2014 at 10:15 PM
  79. Why should a dream where such common occurrences happen should disturb you as you claim this one does? In this part of the narrative, the venue of a dream is used to advance the story in it and present within that story the information. It is nothing more than that, and I think you’re reading into it more than what it is, just as you do the rest of the book. Writers do that all the time. What was wrong with this? This is a work of fiction David; a work of fiction. Can you make that distinction?
    With regards to the dream narrative, we have the following statements made by David James.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:15 PM
  80. Now, does this in any way indicate that either The Harbinger or Jonathan Cahn are trying to convey to the reader that America entered into a unilateral covenant with God as Abraham did because America’s first president, George Washington, and the first American government upon the founding of the republic; prayed to God for the nation? Absolutely not. Nowhere does The Harbinger claim this.

    The Harbinger does say that upon its founding, the first president and first congress and senate convened at St. Paul’s Chapel at the corner of what would later be called Ground Zero to pray and consecrate this nation to Almighty God for His blessing and protection in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It is unmistakable that the God who answers the prayers and petitions of men who pray thusly, did indeed answer the prayer offered at St. Paul’s Chapel, as He has honored and answered the prayers made to Him throughout history, as the Scriptures record for us.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:17 PM
  81. (the prophet) “Correct,’ he said. ‘And his words would be prophetic on several counts. America would be blessed by God’s favor as no other nation had ever been blessed. But the day would come when the nation would do exactly as it was warned never to do.’

    (Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger, pages 212-213, Charisma House Book Group, Lake Mary, Florida 2012)

    March 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM
  82. “In 1789, at his Inauguration as President in New York City, George Washington consecrated the new country to God – near what is now known as Ground Zero. Immediately following this first act as President, Washington, members of Congress as well as the Founding Fathers went to St. Paul's Chapel and prayed for the country for two hours.
    “St. Paul's Chapel remains virtually the same today as it did then. And among the buildings surrounding the World Trade Center it was the only one unscathed by the terrorist attack, except for a Sycamore tree, which turns out to be of no small significance.
    “The U.S.A., the author rightly points out, is not just another country and never was 'just another country'. Blessed with overflowing prosperity, abundance and achievement, it was the leading positive force in the world for more than 200 years.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:22 PM
  83. “However, and unfortunately, our history is not without faults, blunders and also many injustices yet despite this we continued to endure.
    “The point is the only reason the U.S.A. is what it had been is because of what Washington called, "the propitious smiles of Heaven".
    “Now it seems Heaven's favor is removed and the resulting economic climate and fallout are the consequential results.
    “Defiance of God, says the author, is the root cause.
    “Immediately following 9/11, a commitment to rebuild the nation bigger and better than before though without seeking God as our guiding light as He once was is the root of the downfall. As a nation we have – and still are – turning away from God. In the aftermath of 9/11 there was a widespread return to churches and synagogues but it didn't last long.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:23 PM
  84. “Things won't get better on their own. Attempting to fix things by ourselves will only invite further calamity.
    “Isaiah 9:10 and its context is prominently featured in this book and the history of Israel and its destruction is linked to the same verse.
    “America, as it has been doing so for some time, is continuing to walk down the same path of defiance of God.
    “While there's still time there's still hope.
    “But the message needs to be heeded: this nation must return to the principles and ideologies that made it what it once was or we may suffer something worse than 9/11.”

    (President George Washington consecrated the U.S.A. to God., November 10, 2012 By Mike (Levittown, NY USA)

    March 20, 2014 at 10:24 PM
  85. CONTINUED…….

    THE HARBINGER DOES NOT PROMOTE SUPERSESSIONISM (REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY)

    From the onset, David James in his book, The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? presented a misreading of The Harbinger in which he reads into it some type of Replacement Theology, and during the spring and summer months of 2012, he presented this point of view on radio, where he was heard. In an article on the Internet titled America’s Future Seen Through The Harbinger, one reviewer reports that a radio “listener … had just heard someone on a prophecy broadcast depict The Harbinger as saying that God was finished with the Jewish people and that America had replaced Israel in the purposes of God.”

    March 20, 2014 at 10:25 PM
  86. I quote:

    ‘“I was in the midst of a radio interview when a listener notified me that he had just heard someone on a prophecy broadcast depict The Harbinger as saying that God was finished with the Jewish people and that America had replaced Israel in the purposes of God. This representation was based solely on a report given by David James. The listener, having read The Harbinger shared the news with shocked disbelief. Others would describe the charges in such terms as “ludicrous.” D.James’ latest critique of The Harbinger is unfortunately based on many of the same misunderstandings, misperceptions, confusions and uncorrected errors he made at the beginning.”’

    March 20, 2014 at 10:26 PM
  87. This is the shocking conclusion that people have come away with when reading The Harbinger and David James’ polemic against it.

    In an exchange on another Amazon.com message board, David James, someone named Steve, and myself discussed this topic, and this question was repeatedly brought up by Steve, and David James. By this part of our discussion, Steve, the third party in our discussion, had visited various websites and read articles exclusively written by The Harbinger’s critics, some of which he copied and pasted to his questions in this discussion. By this time, he had not visited my website, The Pepster’s Post: A Voice in Cyberspace, or Faith’s Corner, and it appears that he was not inclined or planned to do so. Thus, with this jaundiced view, he began to sound like he supported the views of The Harbinger’s critics.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:26 PM
  88. In response to this, David James wrote:

    “Steve, Intentional or otherwise, unfortunately I have to agree with your "take-away" from The Harbinger concerning America and Israel. Although some don't see this and Jose argues against it, others have understood that this is what The Harbinger is saying. If it is so clear that The Harbinger is not saying what it appears to be saying, then why did The Harbinger's publisher feel the need to publisher another book explaining what The Harbinger is and isn't saying?

    March 20, 2014 at 10:27 PM
  89. Connie/Faith of the website, Faith’s Corner, and Amazon.com top reviewer, Ladybug both read The Harbinger, then read The Harbinger: Fact and Faction?, and knew the facts about both books. Most of the critics wrote without having read The Harbinger, and those who did, did so after they read David James’ book. By the time they read The Harbinger, and that remains in question – if indeed they ever did, or just “skimmed through it” – as some claimed; their minds had been made up about it. The argument for it or against it was by then to them, academic – a foregone conclusion, that is; one against it.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:35 PM
  90. David James’ clever re-writing of the narrative and argumentation had convinced them that they need not pursue the matter any further. One of them blocked me from his site, when confronted with my own rebuttals, and another one did not want to discuss the matter. Interesting. In stark contrast, both Connie/Faith and Ladybug – both of whom read David James’ first and second edition of his book, as well as The Harbinger; saw clearly beyond the argumentations, logical fallacies, incorrect assumptions, selected editing of a message Rabbi Cahn gave entitled and just wrong theology presented by David James.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:37 PM
  91. Where are my other comments which I posted here? There were other comments I sumbitted, before the last one posted. What happened to them?

    March 20, 2014 at 10:59 PM
  92. Another question; how was the person calling himself LEGNA able to post such a lengthy post, while I tried but counn't post a long post?

    March 20, 2014 at 11:01 PM
  93. MY ANSWER: It was a dream David. Have you ever had a dream? It was a dream, and in dreams such things happen. Tell me what’s wrong about someone having a dream where they’re in one place with someone and all of a sudden, they’re somewhere else, and in somebody else’s company? Have you ever had a dream where that’s happened? I have. And I’ve had dreams similar to this one where I’m at one place and all of a sudden I’m someplace else and in the company of other people in an instant. And this disturbs you?

    March 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM
  94. Why does it disturb you, David? Why should a dream where such common occurrences happen should disturb you as you claim this one does? In this part of the narrative, the venue of a dream is used to advance the story in it and present within that story the information. It is nothing more than that, and I think you’re reading into it more than what it is, just as you do the rest of the book. Writers do that all the time. What was wrong with this? This is a work of fiction David; a work of fiction. Can you make that distinction?
    With regards to the dream narrative, we have the following statements made by David James

    March 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM
  95. David James has written: “Then there are two possibilities:
    1.Jonathan Cahn actually had this dream and it makes ups the 90% of the book that isn't fiction (according to what he said in an interview with Brannon Howse).

    MY ANSWER: No, Jonathan Cahn did not have this dream, it is a fictitious vehicle used to illustrate how two historical events were pivotal to the history and destiny of both nations; Solomon’s prayer to God in Jerusalem at the dedication and founding of the temple, and Washington’s prayer to God in the name of Jesus Christ consecrating the new nation to His divine protection and will. I have already quoted the prayer in a previous post, including provided the locations where it is posted.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:03 PM
  96. The dream is fictitious; the two events in the dream were two separate historical events recounted in the dream and connected by both men’s prayer of consecration. There is nothing that should be read into this than what is there. This is why I recommend in objective fairness and intellectual honestly; read The Harbinger and The Harbinger Companion With Study Guide, then read The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction?, then read my own book, The Truth about The Harbinger. Then let them make their own determination about these things.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:03 PM
  97. David James has written: 2. It isn't a dream at all – it never actually happened – which makes it a literary device just like any other, which according to Jose's own admission, it advances the storyline and presents information within that story. What storyline is it advancing? The line that Washington's consecration of America to God is precisely parallel to Solomon's consecration of Israel to God at the dedication of the temple.

    I'm hard-pressed to understand how this isn't completely obvious.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:04 PM
  98. The dream sequence in The Harbinger is meant to convey the importance of this prayer of consecration upon this nation’s founding by comparing it to Solomon’s prayer; both were made by the nation’s leader; both were made in the nation’s capital; both were made in God’s house; both were made for His divine blessing and protection; both were honored by God; and both were pivotal in each nation’s history, and set its course for generations.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:05 PM
  99. The significance of both events for the future of both nations – Solomon’s dedication of the Temple – with the leaders of the nation gathered in its capital (Jerusalem), on its ground of consecration – and – Washington’s dedication of America with the leaders of the new nation gathered at St. Paul’s Chapel gathered in its capital of NYC, on its ground of consecration; are both explained on pages 212-213, where it says, and I quote:

    (Nouriel Kaplan recounting to Anna Goren) ‘“September 11 struck the ground where America was consecrated to God. It pointed back to the day of the consecration, April 30, 1789. But April 30, 1789, was also a day of prophecy, the day a prophetic message was given to the newly formed nation.’

    March 20, 2014 at 11:05 PM
  100. ‘“What prophetic message?’ she asked.

    (Nouriel Kaplan) ‘“It was the prophet, in my dream, who handed me the paper that Washington had hidden. So it would be the prophet who would reveal to me the contents of that message, but not before revealing something else that happened on 9/11.’

    ‘“America,”’ said the prophet, ‘“was dedicated as a nation on this ground (the corner of Ground Zero, where St. Paul’s Chapel is located) to God. But it was in Federal Hall that America, as a nation, was founded. On April 30, 1789, the two places were joined together, and once more on September 11, 2001.’

    (Nouriel Kaplan) ‘“How so?’ I asked.

    (the prophet) ‘“When the towers fell, a shock wave was sent forth from Ground Zero to Federal Hall. The impact was so great that it opened up cracks in the foundation.’

    (Nouriel Kaplan) “Cracks in the foundation? In the foundation of the nation’s foundation?’

    March 20, 2014 at 11:06 PM
  101. (the prophet) “As if 9/11 was pointing everything back to that first day, to that first foundational day…to what happened at St. Paul’s Chapel and what happened there in Federal Hall. And what was Federal Hall?’

    (the prophet)‘“The place of Washington’s inauguration and the nation’s foundation.’

    (the prophet) ‘“And where was that message hidden in your dream?’

    (Nouriel Kaplan) ‘“In the foundation.’

    (the prophet) “And so it was there, at Federal Hall, that the prophetic word was spoken.’

    (Nouriel Kaplan) “By Washington?’ I asked.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:06 PM
  102. (the prophet) “Yes, in the first words a president would ever speak to the nation, in the first-ever presidential address.’
    ‘“Just as King Solomon, on the day of dedication, gave a prophetic message concerning his nation’s future.
    ‘“So Washington also gave a prophetic message concerning America’s future, waiting for a future generation and appointed for the day of calamity, waiting to be revealed – a message less than thirty words long, and yet one of the most important messages ever given to the nation.’
    “And the message…’

    ‘“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself hath ordained.’

    March 20, 2014 at 11:06 PM
  103. (the prophet) ‘“The propitious smiles of Heaven. What do you think that would mean, Nouriel?’

    (Nouriel) ‘“Heaven,’ I replied, ‘would be a way of referring to God.’

    (the prophet) “Yes. And the propitious smiles of Heaven?’

    (Nouriel) … “would mean God’s blessing and favor.’

    (the prophet) ‘“Correct. And the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained?’

    (Nouriel) “Would mean God’s unchanging standards of morality…what’s right and wrong.’

    (the prophet) “Good Nouriel. Now put it all together. What’s it saying?’

    March 20, 2014 at 11:07 PM
  104. (Nouriel Kaplan) “If America upholds God’s eternal standards and follows His unchanging ways, then it will be blessed with His favor…His protection…His prosperity…But if America should depart from the ways of God, if it should disregard His eternal standards, then the smiles of heaven, the blessings of God, will be withdrawn – its prosperity, its protection, and its powers would be taken away. He’s giving a warning to the nation. The day America turns away from God will be the day that begins the removing of its blessings.’

    March 20, 2014 at 11:07 PM
  105. (the prophet) “Correct,’ he said. ‘And his words would be prophetic on several counts. America would be blessed by God’s favor as no other nation had ever been blessed. But the day would come when the nation would do exactly as it was warned never to do.’

    (Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger, pages 212-213, Charisma House Book Group, Lake Mary, Florida 2012)

    March 20, 2014 at 11:07 PM
  106. It appears that there are many who understand the biblical and historical significance of how this nation was founded. One reviewer on Amazon.com whose name is Mike, whose observations are right on target; writes, and I quote:

    “It seems the author has convincingly demonstrated his point. Numerous annotations plus verses straight from the Bible back up his assertion that this country – and by extension the rest of the world – are in for some serious consequences if the status quo remains. 9/11, he says, was only the beginning; the wake up call, the alarm sounding loud and clear to turn back to the Judeo-Christian principles that established and maintained this nation since its founding.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:08 PM
  107. “In 1789, at his Inauguration as President in New York City, George Washington consecrated the new country to God – near what is now known as Ground Zero. Immediately following this first act as President, Washington, members of Congress as well as the Founding Fathers went to St. Paul's Chapel and prayed for the country for two hours.
    “St. Paul's Chapel remains virtually the same today as it did then. And among the buildings surrounding the World Trade Center it was the only one unscathed by the terrorist attack, except for a Sycamore tree, which turns out to be of no small significance.
    “The U.S.A., the author rightly points out, is not just another country and never was 'just another country'. Blessed with overflowing prosperity, abundance and achievement, it was the leading positive force in the world for more than 200 years.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:08 PM
  108. “However, and unfortunately, our history is not without faults, blunders and also many injustices yet despite this we continued to endure.
    “The point is the only reason the U.S.A. is what it had been is because of what Washington called, "the propitious smiles of Heaven".
    “Now it seems Heaven's favor is removed and the resulting economic climate and fallout are the consequential results.
    “Defiance of God, says the author, is the root cause.
    “Immediately following 9/11, a commitment to rebuild the nation bigger and better than before though without seeking God as our guiding light as He once was is the root of the downfall. As a nation we have – and still are – turning away from God. In the aftermath of 9/11 there was a widespread return to churches and synagogues but it didn't last long.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM
  109. “Things won't get better on their own. Attempting to fix things by ourselves will only invite further calamity.
    “Isaiah 9:10 and its context is prominently featured in this book and the history of Israel and its destruction is linked to the same verse.
    “America, as it has been doing so for some time, is continuing to walk down the same path of defiance of God.
    “While there's still time there's still hope.
    “But the message needs to be heeded: this nation must return to the principles and ideologies that made it what it once was or we may suffer something worse than 9/11.”

    (President George Washington consecrated the U.S.A. to God., November 10, 2012 By Mike (Levittown, NY USA)

    March 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM
  110. THE HARBINGER DOES NOT PROMOTE SUPERSESSIONISM (REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY)

    From the onset, David James in his book, The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? presented a misreading of The Harbinger in which he reads into it some type of Replacement Theology, and during the spring and summer months of 2012, he presented this point of view on radio, where he was heard. In an article on the Internet titled America’s Future Seen Through The Harbinger, one reviewer reports that a radio “listener … had just heard someone on a prophecy broadcast depict The Harbinger as saying that God was finished with the Jewish people and that America had replaced Israel in the purposes of God.” I quote:

    March 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM
  111. ‘“I was in the midst of a radio interview when a listener notified me that he had just heard someone on a prophecy broadcast depict The Harbinger as saying that God was finished with the Jewish people and that America had replaced Israel in the purposes of God. This representation was based solely on a report given by David James. The listener, having read The Harbinger shared the news with shocked disbelief. Others would describe the charges in such terms as “ludicrous.” D.James’ latest critique of The Harbinger is unfortunately based on many of the same misunderstandings, misperceptions, confusions and uncorrected errors he made at the beginning.”’

    March 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM
  112. This is the shocking conclusion that people have come away with when reading The Harbinger and David James’ polemic against it.

    In an exchange on another Amazon.com message board, David James, someone named Steve, and myself discussed this topic, and this question was repeatedly brought up by Steve, and David James. By this part of our discussion, Steve, the third party in our discussion, had visited various websites and read articles exclusively written by The Harbinger’s critics, some of which he copied and pasted to his questions in this discussion. By this time, he had not visited my website, The Pepster’s Post: A Voice in Cyberspace, or Faith’s Corner, and it appears that he was not inclined or planned to do so. Thus, with this jaundiced view, he began to sound like he supported the views of The Harbinger’s critics.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:11 PM
  113. In response to this, David James wrote:

    “Steve, Intentional or otherwise, unfortunately I have to agree with your "take-away" from The Harbinger concerning America and Israel. Although some don't see this and Jose argues against it, others have understood that this is what The Harbinger is saying. If it is so clear that The Harbinger is not saying what it appears to be saying, then why did The Harbinger's publisher feel the need to publisher another book explaining what The Harbinger is and isn't saying?

    March 20, 2014 at 11:11 PM
  114. “If it is so clear that The Harbinger is not saying what it appears to be saying…” – Logical Fallacy: infers that The Harbinger appears to say something it does not. The fallacy; The Harbinger appears to say something, therefore it must be saying, if it does not, but just appears like it does. The question is whether or not it is saying it, not whether or not it appears to say it. The difference between the two is astronomical.

    The second part of David James’ question is – “then why did The Harbinger's publisher feel the need to publisher another book explaining what The Harbinger is and isn't saying?” The answer is a simple one; because David James wrote a book with so many fallacies and inaccuracies, and mischaracterizations in it, a book like mine – The Truth About The Harbinger, had to be written in answer to it.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:12 PM
  115. What happened to Steve is a classic case of what happens when an intelligent person who reads only one side of an argument without objectively reading all points before reaching a conclusion. Since this had been the case with some people; those who without first having read The Harbinger for themselves, read David James’ Internet posts against it, and chose not to read the book afterwards, and not to listen to corrections and rebuttals others like Connie/Faith on her website, Faith’s Corner, and Ladybug’s own well-written, well-argued, factual counter-arguments they posted in response to David James’ posts and those of the critics.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:12 PM
  116. Connie/Faith of the website, Faith’s Corner, and Amazon.com top reviewer, Ladybug both read The Harbinger, then read The Harbinger: Fact and Faction?, and knew the facts about both books. Most of the critics wrote without having read The Harbinger, and those who did, did so after they read David James’ book. By the time they read The Harbinger, and that remains in question – if indeed they ever did, or just “skimmed through it” – as some claimed; their minds had been made up about it.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:13 PM
  117. The argument for it or against it was by then to them, academic – a foregone conclusion, that is; one against it. David James’ clever re-writing of the narrative and argumentation had convinced them that they need not pursue the matter any further. One of them blocked me from his site, when confronted with my own rebuttals, and another one did not want to discuss the matter. Interesting. In stark contrast, both Connie/Faith and Ladybug – both of whom read David James’ first and second edition of his book, as well as The Harbinger; saw clearly beyond the argumentations, logical fallacies, incorrect assumptions, selected editing of a message Rabbi Cahn gave entitled and just wrong theology presented by David James.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:13 PM
  118. For the above reasons, I have recommended that everyone who has not read The Harbinger, read all relevant materials on The Harbinger AFTER they have read The Harbinger, but not read about The Harbinger first and then read the relevant material and books on it. This way, no opinion – for or against – will prejudice them about what The Harbinger actually says, but with the knowledge of what it actually says, they can then read all of the relevant material on it; the books, the online articles, the CDs and DVDs, and then make their own determination about the facts.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:13 PM
  119. Many of the critics did not do this, but rushed to write their hit pieces after they consulted and/or read David James’ online articles and book. It is much easier to make an unbiased and informed determination about something when one has first what the others are writing about or discussing, than to make that determination without first reading the primary source of their attention. Some may say that it can equally be said that anyone can be just as prejudiced if they read The Harbinger first than to have read The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction?, but that is not true.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:14 PM
  120. While The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? is a literary work written specifically and exclusively as one author’s review of The Harbinger; The Harbinger itself is not a literary work that is a review of any other literary work, nor is it specifically written to review another’s, but as a literary work comprised of a fictional narrative regarding historical events that have biblical significance for the United States in light of God’s historical dealings with Israel and the nations. It is easier to make an unbiased judgment of something when one first consults the original than it is to determine what it says without reading it or hearing it, or seeing it with one’s eyes; depending on which one of these applies.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:14 PM
  121. Because of the above, and because no literary work had been produced to correct the inaccuracies, present the facts, and clear the mist and confusion caused by the mischaracterizations, false assumptions, and wholesale errors presented in David James’ work, there arose a need for a corrective such as mine, and for this reason I wrote The Truth About The Harbinger.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:15 PM
  122. THE HARBINGER DOES NOT PROMOTE SUPERSESSIONISM (REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY)…Continued…….

    CONTINUED…….

    David James then wrote: “The article you cited is just one of many by Bible scholars who have the same concern with The Harbinger – and it is why I wrote my book: The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction.”

    (SIDEBAR: Steve had cited an article written by one of The Harbinger’s critics who supports the mistaken idea that Jonathan Cahn’s New York Times bestseller promotes some kind of Supersessionism. JB)

    David James wrote: “Jose and I have gone around and around on this – so I don't plan on going through this again in any detail. The Harbinger should stand on its own merits and that is what I and others have evaluated it on.

    MY ANSWER/REBUTTAL: Now, David James belies what he has written that he takes Rabbi Cahn at his word when he says that he does not believe in or teach any form of Supersessionism/Replacement Theology.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:15 PM
  123. David James wrote: Unfortunately, Jose's book makes a number of the same mistakes as found in The Harbinger, as well as mischaracterizations of what The Harbinger's critics are saying.

    MY ANSWER/REBUTTAL: Of course David James is going to make this gratuitous claim against my own book which addresses much of what he has written in his, as well as much more, including what other critics have written and said about The Harbinger. The only errors are those that David James read into The Harbinger, and into The Truth About The Harbinger. It is easy for him to make this claim without presenting a shred of evidence in support of it, but to just leave it dangling and expect the general public to take it at face value, rather than investigate it thoroughly for themselves. I initially replied to Steve in this manner:

    March 20, 2014 at 11:15 PM
  124. Steve,

    Perhaps I should have written more, and provided some of what has been written by The Harbinger’s critics, specific statements, where the real mischaracterizations were made about its author, about what the book says, and more, and why I wrote this book and it purpose. Of course David will write to you as he did. I understand that.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:17 PM
  125. And of course he will tell you that many scholars accept what his book says. In true objective honesty I will tell you that there are scholars on both sides of this issue, and David has admitted that in his own book as well. As I have said and I believe he has too; we have a fundamental disagreement about how this nation is being judged by God.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:17 PM
  126. Rabbi Cahn has written his book. David has written his in response to it, and I have written mine to address certain things that neither the publishers or Rabbi Cahn had anticipated would be said, especially some of the more gross distortions and misreading of it that began many of the urban legends on the Internet about it.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:17 PM
  127. Then Steve asked, perhaps rhetorically here: Does Cahn believe America is the true Israel or equivalent to ancient Israel?

    MY ANSWER: My reply to this is a categorical “NO,” Jonathan Cahn does not believe America was established by (unilateral) covenant with God as God’s chosen (or new) people. The United States does not replace Israel, the United States is not a new Israel, nor is it like Israel, His chosen people apart from the nations of the earth.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:18 PM
  128. Then Steve asked: The question is this Jose. Does Mr. Cahn believe America was established by covenant with God as God's chosen (or new) people? Is the United States a (or the) new Israel?

    MY ANSWER: Again, I repeat; my reply to this is a categorical “NO,” Mr. Cahn does not believe America was established by (unilateral) covenant with God as God’s chosen (or new) people. The United States does not replace Israel, the United States is not a new Israel, nor is it like Israel, His chosen people apart from the nations of the earth.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:19 PM
  129. THE HARBINGER DOES NOT PROMOTE SUPERSESSIONISM (REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY)…Continued…….

    David James’ book muddies the waters intentionally to create the impression that Jonathan Cahn teaches Supersessionism (Replacement Theology) on both page, 150 and 172-173 of his book; Amazon.com reviewer Ladybug correctly observes:

    “I have been reading more of David's book and have found another "replacement theology" reference which will follow in my next post. But, don't lose heart, Blessed in All. With God all things ARE possible. God says in His word that he disciplines those He loves, that He basically skins us alive – I know he has with me but I see it as a tender mercy so I MUST also be harsh with David – as harsh as he has been to Jonathan Cahn. If I didn't LOVE him I would just leave him alone.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:20 PM
  130. But I can't do that as I would rather David judge himself now than be judged later because he will lose eternal rewards if he doesn't deal with it now. I don't want that for him. And if I can show him the flaws in his thinking, I will do that. Also, he is already going down a road where he and his band are taking on the role as the "truth police" for all to obey and that MUST be stopped. It's happened in history and it's dangerous.

    Ok. Here's a fourth reference to… well, not so much CLASSIC replacement theology, only a hint at America-replacing-Israel-type replacement theology but one that charges that Jonathan somehow gives the impression that God is DONE with the Jewish people.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM
  131. It's found on pp. 172 under the sub-title "Which Covenant? Abrahamic or Mosaic?… and it says:

    "Cahn refers only to Israel's destruction but never to its restoration as modern-day Israel. Neither does he ever mention that national Israel still has a place in God's program in the future – that Jerusalem will be the capital of the messianic kingdom. With these two significant omissions, Cahn leaves the reader with the unmistakable impression that Israel is finished as a nation (which many Christians already believe) and that he is suggesting that America may well constitute a new Israel."

    March 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM
  132. Where David says,

    "Cahn refers only to Israel's destruction but never to its restoration as modern-day Israel. Neither does he ever mention that national Israel still has a place in God's program in the future – that Jerusalem will be the capital of the messianic kingdom…"

    … I feel it necessary to remind him that THE HARBINGER is only an APPLICATION of Isaiah 9:10 and not a hermeneutic/interpretation (see my review) so it was UNNECESSARY for Rabbi Cahn to go into all of Israel's history and their future.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:22 PM
  133. As Jonathan has said before, he has PLENTY of messages about this very subject but since David doesn't seem to want to take the time to consider ALL of what Rabbi Cahn teaches, he will have a very skewed view of him and his ministry. And to attempt to destroy another's good name and ministry, which took YEARS to build, by the way, without carefully considering your steps while doing some solid research instead of swiftly running to shed innocent blood is nothing less than sordid and contemptible.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM
  134. And now for the rest of the quote:

    With these two significant omissions, Cahn leaves the reader with the unmistakable impression that Israel is finished as a nation (which many Christians already believe) and that he is suggesting that America may well constitute a new Israel."

    … Because Jonathan Cahn omitted discussion about Israel's historical restoration and future, which THE HARBINGER is not even about, this means that –

    "Cahn LEAVES THE READER WITH THE UNMISTAKABLE IMPRESSION THAT ISRAEL IS FINISHED AS A NATION???!!!"

    March 20, 2014 at 11:24 PM
  135. The reason David sees it this way is because he views scripture through a narrow hyper-dispensationalist lens. His charges here are FALSE! He needs to change his ways and consider EVERYTHING Jonathan has taught on the subject before jumping to such serious conclusions and potentially destroying someone else.

    And for the last part…

    "and that he is suggesting that America may well constitute a new Israel",

    …the context of the paragraph is the "covenant". Jonathan NEVER said that America was under a covenant! Find me even ONE quote where he has said this.”

    March 20, 2014 at 11:25 PM
  136. Ladybug’s observation is spot on. As she correctly observes (good eye, Ladybug); after manipulating the meaning of the narrative of The Harbinger away from its original intent, David James posits on page 150 of his book under the subtitle of The Shemitah and America the following:

    “What then, could bring someone to suggest any sort of connection between the Shemitah and America? The only potential explanation would seem to be that Cahn (sic) believes that the founders were right about America being in covenant with God – if not as a new Israel as such, then at least as one patterned after Israel’s covenant relationship with Him.

    March 20, 2014 at 11:26 PM
  137. This is not to suggest Cahn believes that national Israel has been replaced and has no future in God’s program. He has said that he does not believe this. Unfortunately, there seems to be a significant disconnect between what the author says he believes about this and the ideas he so clearly presents in The Harbinger.”

    (David James, The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? page 150, The Berean Call, 2012 Bend, Oregon)

    March 20, 2014 at 11:28 PM
  138. As to why they wished to enshrine him as some pagan god on the capitol’s rotunda, he had nothing to do with this, so why would anyone in their right mind criticize him for something he had absolutely nothing to do with, or any control of, that others did long after he was dead and buried? This is only fodder to continue to milk the cow of criticism against The Harbinger. And no, there is no morphing in The Harbinger, as David James describes it here and in his book.

    March 24, 2014 at 8:16 PM
  139. For this purpose The Harbinger was written, to warn a sleeping nation, a dying nation, and plead with it to return to its founding, to return to its Judeo-Christian roots, and for God’s people to repent on its behalf and call upon the name of the Lord for it. But, before we can do this, we ourselves must realize that we ourselves are in dire need of full repentance, and have been for a long, long time.

    March 24, 2014 at 8:29 PM
  140. CONTINUED…….

    THE HARBINGER DOES NOT PROMOTE SUPERSESSIONISM (REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY)

    From the onset, David James in his book, The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? presented a misreading of The Harbinger in which he reads into it some type of Replacement Theology, and during the spring and summer months of 2012, he presented this point of view on radio, where he was heard. In an article on the Internet titled America’s Future Seen Through The Harbinger, one reviewer reports that a radio “listener … had just heard someone on a prophecy broadcast depict The Harbinger as saying that God was finished with the Jewish people and that America had replaced Israel in the purposes of God.” I quote

    March 24, 2014 at 8:31 PM
  141. ‘“I was in the midst of a radio interview when a listener notified me that he had just heard someone on a prophecy broadcast depict The Harbinger as saying that God was finished with the Jewish people and that America had replaced Israel in the purposes of God. This representation was based solely on a report given by David James. The listener, having read The Harbinger shared the news with shocked disbelief. Others would describe the charges in such terms as “ludicrous.” D.James’ latest critique of The Harbinger is unfortunately based on many of the same misunderstandings, misperceptions, confusions and uncorrected errors he made at the beginning.”’

    This is the shocking conclusion that people have come away with when reading The Harbinger and David James’ polemic against it.

    March 24, 2014 at 8:31 PM
  142. In an exchange on another Amazon.com message board, David James, someone named Steve, and myself discussed this topic, and this question was repeatedly brought up by Steve, and David James. By this part of our discussion, Steve, the third party in our discussion, had visited various websites and read articles exclusively written by The Harbinger’s critics, some of which he copied and pasted to his questions in this discussion. By this time, he had not visited my website, The Pepster’s Post: A Voice in Cyberspace, or Faith’s Corner, and it appears that he was not inclined or planned to do so. Thus, with this jaundiced view, he began to sound like he supported the views of The Harbinger’s critics. In response to this, David James wrote:

    March 24, 2014 at 8:32 PM
  143. “Steve, Intentional or otherwise, unfortunately I have to agree with your "take-away" from The Harbinger concerning America and Israel. Although some don't see this and Jose argues against it, others have understood that this is what The Harbinger is saying. If it is so clear that The Harbinger is not saying what it appears to be saying, then why did The Harbinger's publisher feel the need to publisher another book explaining what The Harbinger is and isn't saying?

    March 24, 2014 at 8:33 PM
  144. MY ANSWER/REBUTTAL: David James poses a very good question, and a legitimate one, though I do not agree with the point he’s trying to make in posing it, which is to claim that in some way or another The Harbinger promotes or appears to him and some others, including Steve, to promote some type of Replacement Theology. If the question were a sincere one, rather than a rhetorical one that is purposely phrased and posed to evoke and promote a point of view – his. The question must be dissected first if it is to be answered properly and it premise and purpose laid to laid to rest. This is done in English grammar where a sentence structure is discussed. We’ll begin by dissecting the first part of David’s question, I quote:

    March 24, 2014 at 8:34 PM
  145. “If it is so clear that The Harbinger is not saying what it appears to be saying…” – Logical Fallacy: infers that The Harbinger appears to say something it does not. The fallacy; The Harbinger appears to say something, therefore it must be saying, if it does not, but just appears like it does. The question is whether or not it is saying it, not whether or not it appears to say it. The difference between the two is astronomical.

    The second part of David James’ question is – “then why did The Harbinger's publisher feel the need to publisher another book explaining what The Harbinger is and isn't saying?” The answer is a simple one; because David James wrote a book with so many fallacies and inaccuracies, and mischaracterizations in it, a book like mine – The Truth About The Harbinger, had to be written in answer to it.

    March 24, 2014 at 8:35 PM
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