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Thoughts on Secular Humanism and Liberal Christianity

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We’ve been talking about the so-called “head of the octopus” of all the harmful movements you’ve seen sneaking into the Church in the past several decades. Thanks to secular humanism, dominionism and liberal Christianity, those movements no longer need to sneak; they march proudly down the center aisle and perch themselves in the front pew.

So what is at the core? It is our willingness as the Body of Christ to abandon or add to Scripture. In some cases we’ve decided that the Bible is either not the whole truth, or needs our help embellishing the facts.  Sola Scriptura has been largely abandoned, and Christianity has become something folks like Paul or Peter would hardly recognize today.

Here are more thoughts shared in an interesting article from writer Anthony Castellito, who pens “An open Letter to David Sessions, Jim Wallis and all the liberal-lukewarm Christians:”

Culture from Conservative Christian perspective

By Anthony Castellito, reprinted with permission

“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”

I’ve grown weary of activists who under the guise of Christianity look to tear down Traditional Christianity & Conservatism while promoting a humanistic man-centered approach to faith that undermines and denounces God’s immutable attributes and decrees.

These are the type of people who sneer at original sin while embracing deceptive science. They are willing to support all kinds of corrupt practices and compromise the Gospel in an effort to gain the acceptance and support of the modern progressives.

These are the lukewarm Christians, the hypocrites, those who prefer man’s wisdom, excuse depravity, and take offense to accountability. They have adopted the damning tolerance and arrogance of moral relativists while helping to advance a smear campaign against Christian conservatives who hold to principles and traditions grounded in Biblical truth.

1. They ignore the correlation between moral decay and expansion of social programs.

2. They champion amnesty for illegal aliens without offering proper justifications or solutions.

3. They excuse homosexuality on scientific grounds and make gay marriage a state issue, ultimately advocating marriage be one size fits all without considering long-term ramifications, God’s natural order and the fall of man.

4. They engage in wealth envy, class warfare, the promotion of stealing, coveting, lying and bullying to advance their vision of a ‘just’ society with calls for economic retribution and equal results despite the fact that the poor are already taken care of in America, entitlements are unsustainable, we are stealing from our children and grandchildren to ensure stabilization and expansion of these entitlements, the most needy (elderly, disabled) will have more competition for state dollars with continued increases in government dependency, fiscal responsibility (even with tax increases on the wealthy) is no longer politically expedient, and the middle class continues to face higher taxes and consumer cost increases on food, gas, energy, etc.

5. They excuse abortion, while claiming that Christian conservatives are unified in support of war, harsh interrogations and the death penalty.

6. They ignore the threat of Radical Islam or that Islam be called out as a political-social power grab that will lie & use force when peaceful Islamic conversion is not achieved.

7. They fail to acknowledge that much of evolutionary science is based on false presuppositions but rather demean the knowledgable, educated Christian who has done the research and sees the deceptions (Icons of Evolution, J. Wells) http://www.iscid.org/papers/Wells_CriticsRave_062602.pdf

8. They use today’s culture and media to mock, discredit and ridicule historical Biblical orthodoxy grounded in God’s everlasting truth.

9. They try to blur the realities of sin by accusing traditional Christianity of sexism, racism and ignorance.

10. They have their own axes to grind….which has more to do with a hostile aversion to conservative Christian principles with our emphasis on personal charity, natural and supernatural grace in conjunction with God’s honor, mercy and abhorring of sin.

*If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard. The only reason we made it this far is because of the God of the Bible and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity.

Secular humanism and liberal Christianity is hurting this countries vitality. Two of the biggest factors are deceptive/mythical state-church separation and evolution. Those two demonic movements have deeply wounded Christianity’s influence on the culture and we are worse off as a result!

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47 Responses to “Thoughts on Secular Humanism and Liberal Christianity”

  1. Daniel Klembara #

    *If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard. The only reason we made it this far is because of the God of the Bible and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity.

    Who actually believe this?

    Every human society even animal societies have moral rules. Societies with animistic religions no god no bible have these rules. The one who wrote this must read only one book al the time..

    January 8, 2013 at 12:40 AM Reply
  2. Darrel #

    All of what AC said here is true. The enemies on the outside have been so successful because of the traitors found on the inside of the church. Self-sanctified, arrogant men who have traded the truth of God's Word for the lie of pride and human "superiority". The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ has been discarded for the "new revelation" of the god spawned from the wickedness of fallen men. Every day there seems to be a new "way" for man to access God. To such men (and women) Jesus Christ is nothing more than some historical figure whom they gladly disect at every opportunity. They call themselves "pastors" or "teachers" or "theologians" or "visionaries" and gleefully lead the way to hell with all who will follow them and their empty promises. These are men who know the truth and have chosen to go their own way, refusing to bow their knees to the Lord Jesus and confess that He is the King of kings and Lord of lords.

    Yes, there are many enemies of the Lord Jesus who attack Him from without the church, but the greatest enemies to the church as a whole and to each and every man, woman and child are those who parade themselves as servants of God but are found to be liars, false prophets, and children of the devil. It is my constant prayer that the Lord Jesus would expose the evil and glorify His Name.

    January 8, 2013 at 2:04 AM Reply
  3. AC #

    Hi Daniel, I could easily argue that the most vital societies have been Christian & have a Judeo-Christian foundation….

    Islamic & secular societies are running into more problems historically, currently & progressively

    January 8, 2013 at 3:22 AM Reply
    • A #

      "Islamic & secular societies are running into more problems historically, currently & progressively"

      I dunno about them muslims but Christians have more problems that a secular one, and what about Imperial China?

      January 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM Reply
  4. J H #

    I have been going to the same church for 47 years this coming April. Yes I am saved. What bothers me the most about the church is this. We have ministries afraid to stand in the pulpit and call sin for what it is sin. I can't remember when was the last time in the church I attend a message on heaven and hell, a salvation message, a message on why homosexuality and abortion is wrong, a message on end time events. I can't remember when the last time our church had a message in tongues and interpretation. Is it me or are there other people in the church that are fed up with what's being preached. I know we need to balance but the world is going to hell in a handbasket while the church idelly sits by and does nothing. I will be listening to your topic tomorrow.

    January 8, 2013 at 7:27 AM Reply
  5. AC #

    JH, 'the church' is part of the problem!

    Many 'christians' especially the youth don't know Biblical doctrine…. All they know inclusivity & social justice….it's not true Christianity being espoused anymore

    When we afraid to acknowledge 'the sinner' you know we've gone astray from the True Gospel

    January 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM Reply
  6. JH #

    Are they any God fearing churches left out there? I feel like I need to leave the church I'm at but where do you go? Also this same church I attend my folks have been there all there life. How does someone go about explaining too them why I left.
    I have lots of questions and I'm not finding any answers. Does a person go to the pastor where you attend and talk too him with your concerns?

    January 9, 2013 at 6:08 AM Reply
  7. A #

    "Two of the biggest factors are deceptive/mythical state-church separation and evolution. Those two demonic movements have deeply wounded Christianity’s influence on the culture and we are worse off as a result!"

    first of all Dave Barton's wall builders its not a source of historical research, second of all i doubt you like most fundamentalists know anything about evolution

    January 9, 2013 at 8:49 AM Reply
  8. Tony #

    "Those two demonic movements have deeply wounded Christianity’s influence on the culture and we are worse off as a result!"

    I doubt that… in the 1960s many evangilcal christians held up signs that said "race mixing was communism", when your kind had power America was way worse off, and if "Traditional Christanity" was not racist how do you explain the wide spread support that people like Jerry Falwell had for people like George Wallace during the early 1960s and also J.Wells, that scienicist you quoted is a part of Sun Myung Moons Unification Church…. and an AIDS denalist.

    Also like the guy above me had said Imperial China, it had flourished for thousands of years with out your Bible, was far more succesful as a civlization than anyother on earth
    "Islamic & secular societies are running into more problems historically, currently & progressively"
    please see Canada…. lower crime rate, more comfortable living, and more liberal and secular, and I dont see how secular societies run into more problems, also its only very recently that there are any problems with Islamic societies… and many of those problems ( like extremism in society and governement) guess what where orginaly caused by white European Christians …..

    January 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM Reply
  9. Tony #

    i found number 10 to be mose amusing …… according to your logic God sends people to hell because they were born , and than you play mental gymnastics so your God can be saving us from himself….yaaaay

    January 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM Reply
  10. various #

    //*If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard. The only reason we made it this far is because of the God of the Bible and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity.//bwahahahaha

    At what point in history was humanity not self-centered?
    The only reason we have made it this far is despite of the bible. The bible would have us living as bronze aged sheepherders -stoning people for every minor transgression.

    January 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM Reply
    • various #

      "Liberal Christianity" is like "Tolerant Nazism," it's a denial of the core of the belief system

      January 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM Reply
      • Latitude #

        And yet, Jesus was considered radically liberal for his time… and would be considered by many US conservatives to be liberal NOW.
        Examples: Helping the sick, regardless of faith, for free; telling his followers to sell everything they have & give all the money to the poor; telling people that the rich will have difficulty getting into heaven; calling those who pray in public & make a show of their faith "hypocrites"; telling his followers to be non-violent, non-judgemental, and to do good even to their enemies, etc.

        I guess you believe following Jesus is a denial of the core of Christianity, then?

        January 13, 2013 at 10:48 PM Reply
        • Antichus "Tony& #

          No, Jesus said that if you did not believe him you go to hell-not ifs ands or buts that's the most conservative thing to do ,you are denying how ancient the ideas of your god Jesus is, because only those who are ultra conservative would to the point where they believe if you are not with me you are against me!

          January 14, 2013 at 5:10 AM Reply
  11. Darrel #

    Tony & Various:

    Wow!!! What mean-spirited, unloving, vitriol you direct toward the God that created you. His love is demonstrated to you every day by the air you breath, the water you drink, the food you eat and most of all His love is shown to you through His Son, Jesus Christ. His Son, Jesus Christ, died on the cross at the hands of the religious leaders and political progressives of His day, they are the fathers of the ones you now demand we accept as being "right" **** WHY? The answer is obvious: both of you hate God. If you did not hate Him, you would bow before Him, but now you think it best to curse Him at every opportunity. The death of His Son at the hands of the people who are your champions was to provide forgiveness for your sins. A forgiveness that you deem to be not needed by you, because in your own eyes you have not sinned against Him, nor do you consider Him worthy of your time or respect, just your hatred.

    You will, however, be judged by the One that you hate. His judgment will be righteous, your eternal condemnation just, your escape impossible. OR you can fall at His feet today, seek His mercy and the forgiveness you think yourself unworthy to receive. The Bible calls it 'being born again.' The filth of your heart will be cleaned. The hatred for God you now display will be turned into love for the One who died for you. Eternal life will be your future instead of eternal death. Why do you hesitate? He will save you now. Seek Him, He will be found.

    January 10, 2013 at 2:16 AM Reply
    • AC #

      Yeah, too much to respond to….

      A lot of anti-Christian bias in these comments, but I expected strong reactions….,

      I have rebuttals, in due time I will present them, thanks for the feedback…., God Bless, please love one another!

      January 10, 2013 at 4:31 AM Reply
    • Antichus #

      "You will, however, be judged by the One that you hate."

      How can i hate God if i dont believe in him?

      "His love is demonstrated to you every day by the air you breath, the water you drink, the food you eat and most of all His love is shown to you through His Son, Jesus Christ. His Son, Jesus Christ, died on the cross at the hands of the religious leaders and political progressives of His day"

      If that was the case than it would mean God hates me because he is just fooling me into thinking i got it good so he can make me think i got nothing to worry about until i die where he casts me into hell for ever and ever.. real loving indeed … ARE YOU KIDDING ME…the the people that killed Jesus where extreme traditionalists they didnt like Jesus because he threatened their centuries old traditions.. i dont see how some one who wants to preserve centuries old traditions would be a political "progressive"

      and you are going on FSTDT btw.. you gonna be internet famous

      January 11, 2013 at 6:51 AM Reply
    • Antichus "Tony& #

      Wow!!! What mean-spirited, unloving, vitriol you direct toward the God that created you. His love is demonstrated to you every day by the air you breath, the water you drink, the food you eat and most of all His love is shown to you through His Prophet Mohammed, who was viciously persecuted by religious leaders and political progressives of His day, due to their hatred of the truth that Allah is the true God, they are the fathers of the ones you now demand we accept as being “right” **** WHY? The answer is obvious: you hate Allah. If you did not hate Him, you would bow before Him, but now you think it best to curse Him at every opportunity. The death of His Son at the hands of the people who are your champions was to provide forgiveness for your sins. A forgiveness that you deem to be not needed by you, because in your own eyes you have not sinned against Him, nor do you consider Him worthy of your time or respect, just your hatred.for the Quran says 7:172-174: "When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam -from their loins- their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, (saying): "Am I not your Lord (Who cherishes and sustains you)?" They said: "Yea! We do testify!: (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment: "Of this we were never mindful;" or lest ye should say: Our fathers before us took false gods."

      You will, however, be judged by the One that you hate. His judgment will be righteous, your eternal condemnation just, your escape impossible. OR you can fall at His feet today, seek His mercy and the forgiveness you think yourself unworthy to receive. The Quran calls it ‘submission’ The filth of your heart will be cleaned. The hatred for Allah you now display will be turned into love for the One created you and sent you the Prophet Muhammed. Eternal life will be your future instead of eternal death. Why do you hesitate? He will save you now. Seek Him, He will be found.

      January 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM Reply
    • Antichus "Tony& #

      oops sorry i meant to replace "The death of His Son at the hands of the people who are your champions was to provide forgiveness for your sins" with "The fact that his existence is already known by man, but everybody's heart was just too darken to admit the truth, and even than out of his mercy and love that he so graciously sent the Prophet Muhammed who was hated by people who would have tried to kill Allah if they had the chance who are your champions was to provide forgiveness for your sins"

      January 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM Reply
  12. AC #

    Hi JH! Many of the sites that are linked on this site could probably steer you in the right direction! You're concerns are valid, but you have a clear perspective on these matters, don't lose hope!

    January 10, 2013 at 4:18 AM Reply
  13. AC #

    I do tackle some (not all) of the issues on my blog
    http://vitalcommentaries.blogspot.com/search?upda

    January 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM Reply
  14. Daniel Klembara #

    To AC:

    What you wrote on your blog is just the same stuff i see all around. And all points trying to paint evolution theory as and empty movement are sadly poor, I wonder if you really consider that as a wise text.

    About the christianity being the key stone for all prospeous countries- you see what you want to see. Just cause the christianity is important part of cultural heritage it deosnt meant that it affected the good things. Most developed and peaceful countries like holland, belgia, germany, sweden, denmark, are also the most atheistic in the world and their succes is based on secularism, abilty to avoid any dogmatic views and rather collect facts. These countries are also the ones who get any discrimination as a first, advocate gay marriage etec… its not influence of relgion we are talking about, but abality to get rid off it, and talk about what is really important, what is really truth. These people are the most humanistic also.

    Saying that all their wisenes is just cause of christianity is just unfair play. Ofcourse these countries were build with religion in. All european countries.

    But dont you find it alarming the same people who understood so much about how to manage a state and what is humane, alsomroe and more understand unneccesarility of religion and see any dogmatic systems as enemies??

    January 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM Reply
  15. AC #

    Good point, Christianity was foundational for all these countries…. Christianity in its current day is better than purely secular societies in my opinion…..what makes a secular society better than a predominately Christian one?

    Christian work ethic & self actualization has made America the envy of the world,

    The reason you seem the same arguments for evolution is cause they are valid…..give me a legit example of a positive mutation enabling new traits/progressive change…. Darwin was wrong…. If he wasn't I would not be a Christian, I want truth, do you?

    January 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM Reply
    • Latitude #

      "As the government of the United States of America is in no way founded on the Christian religion…" – John Adams, Treaty of Tripoli

      :"Christianity is not, nor ever was, part of the common law." -Thomas Jefferson

      Then there's the fact that the most prosperous countries in the world, mostly Scandinavian nations & Japan, are not Christian countries. Nor were the greatest empires of the world: China, ancient Greece, & ancient Rome.
      Not to mention the fact that there are many, MANY Christians with a poor work ethic.

      Darwin was wrong about the details, but not about evolution. We have seen evolution (nylon-eating bacteria, for instance). All of epidemiology is based on evolution. Every vaccine & every cure is based on evolutionary biology. Every one.
      I will never understand why some people think it is impossible that God could have created evolution as a mechanism for variation & speciation. It's almost as if they don't believe he has the power to do so. That would make them very poor Christians, indeed…
      Thankfully, I have no problems reconciling my faith with science. Who says God didn't create evolution, atoms, cosmic expansion & all the myriad wonders of the universe? Only those who fail to understand science & the beauty of the intricate movements God has put in place for us to discover. Only those who believe that God's imagination is as limited as their own. Only those who have a very shaky faith & fragile ego, that they might be shattered by simply acknowledging that they might not know everything they think they do.

      January 13, 2013 at 11:00 PM Reply
      • AC #

        YAWN……… change, but not in a progressive sense where added info enabling the evolution of life from a lower form to a more advanced form…..I’ve heard all your arguments and they in no way advance your cause….

        As for these quotes, and comparing apples to oranges with some of these other countries (and their unique variables) I don’t have the time to cut through all your bias, God Bless ! AC

        January 14, 2013 at 2:29 AM Reply
      • AC #

        Incorrect… it did not "mutate" to eat bacteria, is just ate it. If a vegetarian started to eat meat, it is not a mutation. In this situation there was no evidence of a DNA mutation that allowed the bacteria to eat nylon.

        The bacteria did not "evolve" it adapted, which is completely different…

        January 14, 2013 at 2:41 AM Reply
  16. Daniel Klembara #

    Christian work ethic & self actualization has made America the envy of the world,

    America is shame of world. Holland, belgia germany, austria, sweden, denmark, that is envy of world. These high rates of murders in your country, poor people. Devastated culture and nto only that, american low quality culture affecting all world. And christianity for americans?Is just another weapon in militaristic perspective on life, just another reason to scream on someone etc..

    …..what makes a secular society better than a predominately Christian one?

    Well visit the countries i wrote about. Most develioped countries, most peaceful are the most atheistic. They are also the countries which support rights of homosexuals , have the strongest love for human rights etc. They refuse any dogma and look at facts .And cause the christianity is rooted in their culturem it doesnt mean that it was essential for this result.

    For benefical mutations. There is a plenty of them. Evolution was directly observed on bacteries. But there is a plenty of evidence of the same in humans. Some people have certain usles musculess on feet, but others do not- people are loosing them cause they are for no use. Another benefical mutation is the one who helps to protect people form HIV
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5#CCR5-.CE.9432

    Positive mutation? For example i got positive mutation.

    January 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM Reply
  17. AC #

    You are believing liberal bias…..and Typical anti-American bias

    I've already written (if you read it)about the so-called 'positive' mutations in virus… This phenomenon does not result in the type of progressive change (development of more complexity/progressive traits) that would account for molecules to man development as been theorized…. Such an idea is fantastical thinking that runs counter to true science
    http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?ca

    January 12, 2013 at 6:19 AM Reply
  18. Daniel Klembara #

    The countries i mentoined are most developed, most peaceful, thats fact not bias.
    That cuture of america is as a described, is not only my opinion but opnion of the best artist in your country.

    Iam not talking about bacterial resistance to antibiotics, but direct changes in bacterial dna during reproductions, since reproduction of bacteria is much faster than in other life.

    -Such an idea is fantastical thinking that runs counter to true science.

    True science like what? Like believing that earth is old 6000 years? Or belief in god itself?

    January 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM Reply
    • AC #

      YAWN……… change, but not in a progressive sense where added info enabling the evolution of life from a lower form to a more advanced form…..I've heard all your arguments and they in no way advance your cause….

      As for these quotes, and comparing apples to oranges with some of these other countries (and their unique variables) I don't have the time to cut through all your bias, God Bless ! AC

      January 14, 2013 at 2:27 AM Reply
  19. Daniel Klembara #

    I don’t have the time to cut through all your bias

    … no problem, just continue diging deeper into your own bias

    January 14, 2013 at 8:41 PM Reply
  20. Daniel Klembara #

    And for the countries, well you started comparing the apples with oranges at a first place. Stating that you can very easy demnostrate how much more succesful are the one with christian foundation.

    You didnt even get through first round. Problem is not only that lots of succesful countries are not christian at all, but even for christian one the religion wasnt the force behind the succes. It was force opposite direction.

    I would be more interested to hear hows does the dogmatic doctrine affect economical and cultural and political succes in long run of a state.

    January 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM Reply
  21. AC #

    Christianity IS my bias, I'm not ashamed, won't water it down & won't compromise

    January 15, 2013 at 2:31 AM Reply
  22. Daniel Klembara #

    Good to know prejudice is something you are proud about while the main goal of humans is to understnad the truth. Luckily there is not enaugh poeple like you to change direction.

    January 15, 2013 at 3:36 AM Reply
    • AC #

      Open up a Bible….let that be your guidel

      January 15, 2013 at 10:41 AM Reply
      • Antiochus #

        Ezekiel 30:10-11 it is said that Nebuchadnezzar is supposed to conquer egypt.. it never happened and infact the exact opposite happened so much for your perfect book

        January 15, 2013 at 10:45 AM Reply
  23. AC #

    You don't believe in any truth, you are a moral relativist, what is your truth? That there is no objective truth? Truly sad

    January 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM Reply
  24. Daniel Klembara #

    to AC:

    Difference between me as you, that i believe there is objective truth, which we can grasp by time,and hardwork. You choosed to use world perspective 2000 old, based on bla bla of one place on the earth.

    And you have that guts to come here and tell me about morals? Yes there is a plenty of morals which i consider changable, like-i see nothing wrong about walking completly naked if we have no problems with injury etc.- its just moral tradition what can change, and is constnatly changing. Knowing that something is subjective doesn not mean it s not truth. Morals are subjective and knwoing it is knowing the truth. Morals changes as people and nation changes.
    we can see in islam what beauty absolute moralty does- girls showing too much of skin? Lets cover them all so nothing can be visible.

    Or what is your opinion about sex? You believe even married couple shoul dnot do sex for pleasure but only when they want to make a kid? Absolut morality is sickness of humans, brainwashing.

    And you are proud about it

    But in the end i have one absolut morality which i would always defend- never hurt anyone regardles who is he and what he does. And people as society are not going to give up that, why? Not cause they fear eternal punshiment. But because they simply want to live in world with compassion. WE WANT IT DONT WORRY!

    And finally i got what i have to do. Brainwashed mind is not worth for disccusion, i really starting to think is better to ignore these possesed screams, they dont desrve privilige of taking seriously..

    And seriously, majority of world even when they are religious are not thinking black and white like you. Dogma had its turn, majority dont wants it … iam sorry.

    But you can rattle all your life about it…

    Goodybe

    January 15, 2013 at 9:14 PM Reply
  25. Daniel Klembara #

    PS: If god would privately revealed to you that he wish you to kill someone. Would you do it? As abraham?

    I would never do it even if i would have been convicted that a god make contact with me.

    Who is moral relativist?

    January 16, 2013 at 1:05 AM Reply
  26. AC #

    Daniel, we are orthodox Christians here….. Your beliefs are heretical…..you cannot hold your beliefs and consider yourself any kind of Christian,

    If you love your children you discipline & warn….not abuse or hurt, We are all sinners, no better/no worse….

    Christians in love show concern for body & SOUL…. You would tell to do what feels good with no regard for one's eternal soul…..

    January 16, 2013 at 4:03 AM Reply
    • Antichus "Tony& #

      "If you love your children you discipline & warn….not abuse or hurt, We are all sinners, no better/no worse"

      Well according to your logic God made humanity fall in the first place

      "Christians in love show concern for body & SOUL…. You would tell to do what feels good with no regard for one’s eternal soul….."

      so what you are saying here is "I can treat you as poorly I want I just make you believe in Jesus so none of that matters since its all "works"

      January 16, 2013 at 4:43 AM Reply
      • AC #

        If you don't believe in Jesus we have nothing more to talk about, you are your own God, if you want to believe in Jesus open up a Bible, God Bless

        January 16, 2013 at 8:40 AM Reply
        • Antichus "Tony& #

          " If you don’t believe in Jesus we have nothing more to talk about, you are your own God,"

          that doesnt even make any sense are you saying you know me better than i know my self?" I couldnt be a god even if i wanted to be I am not worshipped nor do i control nature or reality

          January 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM Reply
  27. AC #

    I don't treat anybody poorly, Christian should not do that

    January 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM Reply
  28. WD40 #

    Jesus was a liberal

    February 22, 2013 at 6:28 AM Reply
  29. s.che #

    So you can't be a Christian with out being a fire breathing hater of homosexuals and anyone that doesn't think like a traditional Christian. How sad. You actually sound like the people that this Jesus fought against. I guess I will never understand people that worship a god that is no better than his followers. And does despicable things against his own creation. However if you believe in such a god than It's no wonder you want the strict traditional view of this god t that you don't want changed because you share his prejudices or what you assume are his prejudices based on little more than ancient hearsay. You seem to fear people that have a heart and want their god to have one as well. I don't know where you radical Christians came from but you scare the hell out of me.

    I'm glad your religion has been watered down. Though not enough. some of you would travel the world to spread hatred of others, and between you and radical muslims, the entire world has to look over their shoulders. Yet you have the nerve to call other people Christian haters.

    March 21, 2014 at 9:34 PM Reply

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