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Multiple sources: Joel Osteen says God "absolutely accepts homosexuals"

Osteen on HuffPo

Osteen on HuffPo

We know that Pastor Osteen has been duped once before by cyber hackers who have created fake websites looking exactly like Osteen’s ministry site, so when we saw the many “Joel Osteen: God ‘Absolutely’ Accepts Homosexuals,” headlines, we wanted to be sure that this was not the case before sharing this report and video of Osteen, in his own words, explaining why he thinks God approves of homosexuality:

In a recent interview with the Huffington Post, megachurch speaker and author Joel Osteen advised that he believes God accepts homosexuals, and that he doesn’t want to “tell everybody what they’re doing wrong.”

Osteen sat down this week with host Josh Zepps to promote his new book Break Out: 5 Keys to Go Beyond Your Barriers and Live an Extraordinary Life. The two discussed a variety of issues, from Pope Francis to fighting poverty to whether unbelievers can go to Heaven.

“You say here… ‘It doesn’t matter who likes you or doesn’t like you; all that matters is that God likes you. He accepts you; He approves of you,” Zepps stated, reading from Osteen’s book. “Is that true for gay men or true for homosexuals?”

“Absolutely,” Osteen replied. “I believe that God’s breathed His life into every person. We’re all on a journey. Nobody’s perfect.”

“The Bible says that sin is pride, sin is selfish ambition,” he continued. “We tend to pick on certain things, but I believe every person is made in the image of God, and you’ve got to accept them as they are as they’re on their journey.”

Osteen then explained his belief that Christians should exemplify kindness to the world, rather than “pushing people down.”

“Again, the Scripture teaches they way people are going to know His disciples is for our love for one another, and so, I’m not preaching hate [or] pushing people down,” he stated. “I’m not here to tell everybody what they’re doing wrong.”

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31 Responses to “Multiple sources: Joel Osteen says God "absolutely accepts homosexuals"”

  1. lyn #

    This man exists for one reason, as judgment by God for all who reject truth. "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thess. 2:11-12

    There's that 'wide mercy' Osteen mentions in the video, that is the same garbage Billy Graham stated back in '97 when talking to Robert Schuller. Actually, this wider mercy leads you down that very broad road, and pied pipers like Osteen are at the head of the pack. Osteen is a picture of what evil is, and looks like; disguised as a caring pastor of a church – loving, harmless, and dripping with deadly poisonous venom pouring off his tongue.
    Osteen locks arms with the Pope because they are both of Satan and push the evil Satanic agenda that will be prevalent in the 'church' during the end time.
    " These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." Revelation 17:13 John Gill commentary, 'The princes of these kingdoms, and their subjects, become, in time, of one religion'

    October 4, 2013 at 3:01 AM Reply
    • J #

      Salvation is per head. "Work out your salvation…". "Judge not so that you will not be judged, condemn not, so you will not be condemned." "GOD loves sinners but he hates sin." What JO said is simple English, He accepts Homosexuals NOT Homosexuality, because there's hope that they will turn to GOD someday. GOD will not give up on you when you sin. You know the truth, let the truth set you free. Just before you pick up the stone to throw at JO, look at yourself, your life… Remove that log, so you will see clearly.

      November 4, 2013 at 3:58 AM Reply
      • Marie #

        And when we remove that log and test the teachings of Mr. Osteen against the very Word of God as the Bereans did in Acts 17:10-11 "Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more fair minded that those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so."

        Please test all things that Mr. Osteen says for our Holy Scriptures command us to do so. And easy test for us as believers and followers of our LORD Jesus Christ would simply be to ask, "Did Jesus have His best life now?"

        Perhaps another valid question would be, "Did the disciples of our LORD Jesus Christ have their "Best Life Now" while they preached and taught the people of their day concerning the sinful nature of man and their desperate need for a Savior?

        And a valid question for us today is this, "Are we living our "Best Life Now" or is our best life yet to come when we are living in our new resurrected bodies at the Second Coming of our LORD Jesus Christ?

        And if we believe that we are living our best life now, then we know not Christ, nor the teachings of our Glorious Hope to come. For Jesus, our Mighty King, did not come to make us healthy, wealthy, or prosperous….He came to save us from our sins.

        November 4, 2013 at 8:21 AM Reply
      • lyn #

        Where o where does the Bible say 'God loves sinners, but hates sin'?! You will NOT find that in all of scripture. God does NOT accept homosexuals, again, where is scriptural support for such nonsense?! It's amazing how people come here spewing out their opinions, trotting them out like they are the inerrant word of God, and expect true followers of the Lamb to accept it without a challenge.
        The bible doesn't state any of what you say 'J'; the bible commands all to 'repent and believe on the Lord Jesus'. This is not an option, nor does the bible say God hopes all will someday repent. Good grief, doesn't anybody study the attributes of God anymore?
        I do see clearly, because God the Spirit is the teacher of God's people. Osteen is a false teacher, a wolf disguised as a sheep. His message tickles the ear, but doesn't prick the heart. True followers of Christ are called to mortify sin, to put it to death! That's NOT an option – see Colossians 3:5

        If people would spend as MUCH time in God's word and in prayer crying out for wisdom and understanding as they do defending false teachers, there would be less defense of the wolf and more crying out for mercy and forgiveness of defending what God hates.

        May 19, 2014 at 10:31 AM Reply
        • JMM #

          "For God so loved the world" I think this includes sinners.
          "while we were still sinners Christ died for us" I think this means that Christ loved us enough to die for us even though we were still sinners.
          I think we could safely say that while people were still homosexuals Christ died for them.
          He died for them because he loves them and desires to be reconciled to them.
          "He does not want anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance"
          I think it would be safe to say God does desire that all would repent and that no one would perish.

          "I do see clearly"Lyn
          “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. J 9:41

          October 18, 2014 at 5:34 PM Reply
          • lyn #

            The verses you quote do NOT refer to unregenerate sinners, they refer to those God calls out of darkness into light. You forget, the Bible was not written in English, nor can you pull verses out of context to fit your own theology. Who was Paul addressing in Romans when he said 'while we were still sinners, Christ died for us'? He was speaking to born again believers, NOT the entire world, but God's elect. You cannot say that text means God loves everybody, for that is not the context of the verse. To do so is to add to God's word something it doesn't say.
            Those whom are called and drawn by God {see Acts 2:39, John 6:44}, who are born from above by God {see John 1:13, 3:3, Ezekiel 36:26-27}, who forsake sin { see Acts 2:38, 3:19, 17:30, Ezekiel 14:6, 18:30, just to mention a few} who have been gifted with salvation and faith because of grace {see Ephesians 2:8-9}…these are the ones God loves.

            Do not forget this verse, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13. We simply cannot tell sinners God loves them, for we do NOT know whom God chooses to set His affections on. He chose to love Jacob, yet He rejected Esau. Do you know whom God chooses to show mercy to for eternal life and whom He doesn't? Hardly.

            This is from Psalm 7:11, "God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day." This is from John 3:36, " He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." How can you tell sinners God loves them when the Bible states God is angry with them and His wrath abides on those who continue on in sin?

            The Gospel message is not 'God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life!' The Bible COMMANDS, this is not optional – the Bible commands sinners everywhere to repent and believe {trust, cleave to} on the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no hope for the sinner apart from Christ's finished work on the cross and God's mercy and grace. I challenge you to show me, from Scripture, where we are commanded to tell sinners God loves them as part of the Gospel presentation. The Apostles never said such, nor did our Lord. Nowhere does the Bible state we should tell sinners who are dead in sin that God loves them.

            I also urge you to study what biblical love actually is, it isn't the same as human emotions. God is love, indeed, BUT, that doesn't mean He loves every single person ever born. He certainly does not love sinners who continue on in sin, making a habitual practice of sin. As a matter of fact, the Bible speaks of such sinners – He that committeth sin is of the devil – 1 John 3:8b

            October 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM
  2. Becky #

    JO twist and cherry picks from Scripture. He is not a real Pastor. He is at best motivational speaker to the masses. Sad that so many think he is worth listening to.

    October 4, 2013 at 6:05 AM Reply
  3. It was only a matter of time, with his "worldly friendly" ways that he come to this.

    October 4, 2013 at 8:24 AM Reply
  4. Marie #

    I was once a follower of Joel Osteen, purchasing his books for mammon, watching his television services with great anticipation, dancing around my living room to the beat of his highly professions praise band, and preaching Joel Osteen to may family: until one day…..

    My family sat me down at the dinner table and said, "Mom, we are sick and tired of hearing about Joel Osteen. It's Joel said this and Joel said that as if he were god or something!" And why don't you read your Bible anymore and quote that instead of that Osteen guy? You always preached to us growing up that the Word of God is the most important reading and studying that we will ever do because it leads us to Jesus Christ and teaches us how to live for Him? What happened to you Mom? Please, please, please stop preaching Joel Osteen and go back to preaching and teaching Jesus Christ."

    I hurt so badly after that honest confrontation from the ones closest to me, my family. And they were right, I was losing my first love, Jesus Christ, and they could see it and I could not. My whole world seemed to have come crashing down on me in an uncontrolable tailspin and I wept in my quiet times away from my earthly loved ones. They never saw my tears, but could see my broken heart in my eyes and demeanor.

    My family was right, I was wrong, terribly wrong, drifting on every wave of doctrine by these herectics desperately seeking more truth beyond the Holy Spirit inspired words of our Bible, thinking in my mind that I was growing in my faith, yet falling into a greater abyss. Sure, I was finally fitting in with the women at church who promoted the Osteens, the Joyce Meyers, the Beth Moores, the Paula Whites, the Lee Gradys, the Oral Roberts, the Pat Robertsons, the Rick Warrens, the Jack Hayfords, oh dear, the list seems endless these days, does it not. As long as I was reading their books, watching their DVD's and accepting their false doctrines, according to these women, I was "arriving" and "growing deeper in my relationship with the lord (another lord alright.)

    Jesus promised us in His Word that He would never leave us nor forsake us, and His promises are always true. Praise Him. In my hurt, in truth here, my PRIDE was bruised, beaten and battered, for we know in part that our Heavenly Father dicsiplines those He loves, and it takes time te realize this. God, the Holy Sprit, was guiding me back to His Word and my family was the catalyst He used to convict my soul of falling into apostasy. What great love our Father has for us. "I Praise the LORD according to His righteousness, And will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High." Psalm 7:17

    October 6, 2013 at 3:42 AM Reply
    • Pat #

      Thank you so much for your honesty. I'm sure it took alot of courage of your dear ones to bring forth the truth, and even more courage for you to come to terms with what they were saying. God bless you and your family.

      October 12, 2013 at 3:34 AM Reply
  5. Marie #

    So, what happens when the clergy and leadership within our churches promote men's words above and beyond the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God. It is very, no extremely difficult, in our present day to sit in a church who desires to follow Jesus Christ and His teachings. Anotherwords, most of the sermons now peached elevate man's words high above Scriptures and oh, the sermon message may have one or two Scriptures mentioned, but the remainder will consist of quotes from mere men, stories of the pastor's family and friends (his or the pastrix's best life now), jokes to stroke the funny bones, motivational words telling of how God needs us and is using us for His Kingdom here on earth, psychology to negate that fact that we are sinners in NEED of Jesus Christ, and great words of flattery telling of how more "spiritual" his congregation is in comparision with the other churches in the community.

    Meanwhile, the sheep are starving in the pastures and the shepherding are living and breathing in their own self aggrandizement.

    What happens within Christianity when the pulpits are filled with heretcs, teaching heresy not found in the Holy Bible? One of the outward manifestations is sexual sin as man is given over to his own depravity. The church begins to accept homosexuality as normal and this is the natural progression of fallenness, is it not.

    Has not the church already accepted, embraced, and made excuses for other sexual sins….divorce, adultery, fornication, lust-whether physically or in the thought process, pornogrpahy-how many of our Christian men and women visit the local strip bar? or watch it on the internet, and the like, the television programs we watch-most of which are disgusteing, the movies we pay to see-most of which I wouldn't take my 90 year old grandmother too, the music we listen to-have you ever analyzed the words and all of the gross sexual connotations that come out of their mouths/hearts- and no, please do not follow your heart for it is deceitful above all things……..

    Anotherwords, the church has blended in beautifully with the rest of the world that we label as "unsaved" as there is no pursuit of holiness nor righteousness. But let us not be deceived here…..there does exist the outward appearance of these godly traits, but we know that in part, results in a "holier than thou attitude" combines with "self righteousness," So then, we are left with several questions….

    What does "a pure heart" look like in these modern times, for I hear this phrase from church women constantly all the while 2 Timothy 3:1-6 traits are being manifested in their lives….so is this what a pure heart looks like?

    What does the pursuit of holiness look like as I watch those in clergy and leadership positions cover up to secretly hide the sexual sins manifesting in their own lives and the lives of those within their own households?

    What does the pursuit of righteousness look like as we begin to manifest our own list of righteous acts in accordance to the doctrines of men and women instead of the very Word of our God?

    So then, where are the sermons and teachings regarding any sexual sin within the church system and at what point will preachers begin to preach the truth in spirit and in love? I have never heard a sermon regarding any sexual sin……I have heard the youth pastor admonish young ladies for wearing inappropriate clothing only to observe a double standard in her own dress that is less than modest-I believe George Orwell would call this "double speak," but my children would call this a "double standard."

    So in my relationship with Jesus Christ, I am learing it is so very easy, so very easy to preach and teach the Word of God, but within the church walls, it is so very difficult to live it for we have lost our first love, Jesus Christ.

    I have been out of the church system for several years now and fellowship outside of temples made with human hands. Jesus Christ is my Cornerstone, my Head, and my Solid Rock, and my teacher is God, the Holy Spirit. And as a result, I am learning what true repentance looks like through the Word, and what a life lived for Christ looks like. The road has been narrow, very gravelly, filled with many potholes, and a few road blocks and detours…..and I count is all joy to be on this walk with Jesus daily, praising and worshipping His Holy Name above all Names, for that wide paved road that I drive every day to work, will ultimately lead me to nell for all eternity.

    And when Jesus returns in that Great and Glorious Second Coming that many look forward too, will He find faith?

    I believe, yes, there are few, but Jesus will find a faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints. Amen.

    October 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM Reply

    Uh, yeah, IF they are repentant

    October 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM Reply
  7. awest #

    Our God and a forgiving God, and when we come to him with a deformity of spirit which causes us to sin, we are to receive healing, not stay In the same pool sin, the book of eziekiel says, the sovereign Lord does not desire the death of anyone, so REPENT and live!

    May 18, 2014 at 11:07 PM Reply
  8. ProudGAYchristian #

    God accepts gay people and being gay is NOT a sin. Why do you people keep spreading these lies ?

    October 17, 2014 at 12:35 AM Reply
    • standupwi #

      God's Word says otherwise. You are the one who has been deceived by a lie.

      October 18, 2014 at 7:00 AM Reply
    • rosinavoz #

      To be a Christian means forsaking our sin. God does not accept any sinful behavior…not even tiny lies. He cannot because He is holy. He sent His Son to die so our sins can be forgiven. We don't have to be mastered by them any longer. We have the power, in Christ, to overcome any temptation. We will never be perfect in this life. But, when we cooperate with God, admit our sin, and turn from it, He will through the power of His Spirit help us to live a life more pleasing to Him. It possible that one could be a Christian who is struggling with same sex attractions just as it is possible for someone to be a Christian with a weakness for any other sin; lying, anxiety, anger, etc. But to be proudly, openly, unrepentantly gay AND Christian, that is not possible. It goes against what the bible teaches. It is redefining what Christian means. As Christians,we seek to please God first and foremost….not our own lusts. That means turning from the desires of our flesh and obeying what God says in every area of life.

      Please take a little time to listen to this debate on the topic: "Gay Christianity" Debated. http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2013/05/22/

      Dr. James White debates Justin Lee, who, like yourself, claims to be a 'gay Christian'.

      October 18, 2014 at 5:13 PM Reply
  9. lyn #

    Nowhere does the Bible say God 'accepts' homosexuality, or prideful boasting of reveling in this sin. Read this from 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you." Take special note of the first half of verse 11, 'such WERE some of you'- past tense. It means you NO LONGER practice the sins the Apostle Paul listed. This is what a true born from above follower of Christ looks like – they forsake their sins, which is what repentance is all about. They live the rest of their time on this earth walking in obedience to His word, and speaking His truth to those who are still lost in sin and its bondage. Unless you are born again by God, you will not grasp the truth of His word – it will not take root in your heart.
    If you are still lusting after the same sex, you are sinning against God and are NOT a true follower of Jesus. You will perish in your sins, the Bible is crystal clear on this matter. May God reveal truth to you, may He remove the veil of darkness over your sin-hardened heart and pierce you with His truth

    October 18, 2014 at 8:05 AM Reply
  10. Cherie c. #

    @JMM, Lyn is a Calvinist from the context of her post. Although she has said other wise before. God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, The "World" as we are taught, are unregenerate people. Paul was writing to both Jew and Gentile in Rome.

    The elect that is referred to in the Word, those who were predestined, were the Apostles of the New Testament, and those used by God for His purposes, like the blind man near the water. And I also believe the prophets and Kings, etc. in the Old Testament.

    Elect has also been used interchangeable with saints. But for us to begin to believe that God only selected a few out of all peoples and nations when His Word clearly says that His will is for all to come to repentance, makes our Lord look less than loving. If Eve had not been made from Adam's rib, and he stilled sinned, Jesus would still have had to come to earth to die so that Adam's sin would be forgiven.

    The Word of God was written for those born again so that we would be equipped to do the great commission, which is to preach the Gospel to every creature. It is sad that the Word of God is so dissected and disassembled as to make it a source of discord rather than a source of knowledge, power, strength, and a way to hear from God. If there is one thing I found to be true about the Word of God, it is for the born again believer. I have seen my son, who was studying to be an astrophysicist, not understand the Word of God. He equates it to mythology books he read in high school and college. So it is without a shadow of a doubt, the Word of God speaks to us who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and not to the unregenerate.

    However, that does not mean, God willing, that one day the eyes of my son's understanding cannot be opened. If he repents and seeks the gift of forgiveness from a Holy God, he will be saved. We are told to pray for the unsaved, and that I do everyday. Not only my son, but my husband, my other son, and friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, clients, our government leaders, and the list goes on. We should especially pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world who are cold, hungry, beaten, imprisoned, and any other circumstance as well as those sent to the mission field who preach the Gospel in the face of death. I pray that God blesses them before me because they deserve so much more for serving Him in a way I cannot. I believe my work is to financially support those in missions and other ministries that do the work that God has called them to do. Like SUFTT.

    I do not wish any ill will toward Lyn, but I will continue to speak out against the true Word of God. Yes, I will admit there are some Scriptures that seem to give us the idea of "election" in the context that Calvinist's use. But there is far more Scripture speaking to the contrary. I have prayed about this for over two years now and through the Word, God is showing me the truth. Also, in 1 Corinthians, Paul writes about keeping your virgin. After praying about this Scripture, because I do not have a virgin, I believe it is telling us to keep our virginity, either man or woman, if we are not to marry. Lyn is correct about translations being off a bit, but not so much as to tell us that God predestined people to die, and be in torment forever, and that some were chosen to die but live with Jesus in Glory for eternity. That is simply not true. A dear brother in Christ, Dave Hunt wrote a book about this very issue. The book is titled, What Love Is This? I recommend you get that book and read it. I did not read it, but for a few excerpts, but I do not have to. Dave also spoke about this issue and you can find them on Youtube. I still may get it to read because what I have read was very good. Dave Hunt also spoke out about Christmas, but I do not know if he participated or not.

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    October 19, 2014 at 8:02 PM Reply
    • lyn #

      Cherie C,

      I would ask you to stop categorizing me by your opinion. I have posted the word of God to show that He does not love every person who ever lived, that isn't calvinistic…it's rightly dividing. "World" does not mean every person ever born, I encourage you to do a word study, and to remember context is key in understanding meaning.
      As for the doctrine of election, it is taught by God Himself in verses like 2 Thess. 2:13, 'But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.' and in Ephesians 1:4-5, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.' There are many more verses I could post, but will not do so for the sake of space.
      What's truly amazing is this….it isn't that God saves some, it's that He saves any! ALL have sinned and fall short of His glory. Why do you insist God MUST save any? Instead, marvel that He chooses to display His grace and mercy on sinners.
      You also say this, "Lyn is correct about translations being off a bit, but not so much as to tell us that God predestined people to die, and be in torment forever, and that some were chosen to die but live with Jesus in Glory for eternity. That is simply not true. A dear brother in Christ, Dave Hunt wrote a book about this very issue." Here lies your problem…you read books written by men like Hunt instead of studying the Bible for yourself. Consider these verses from Romans 9:21-22, 'Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.'
      I have provided texts that speak of God electing sinners, as well as leaving others in their sins; can you take these texts and disprove what God states? Bear in mind, IF you see God as only love, love, love – you have a lopsided god, and your god is not the God found in the bible. You simply cannot take one attribute of God and exalt it as supreme. God is thrice holy, He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He is faithful, true, righteous, merciful, gracious; He is also a God of wrath.

      Lastly, you claim "I do not wish any ill will toward Lyn, but I will continue to speak out against the true Word of God." I invite you to do so, and NOT by quoting Dave Hunt's book; please, use the word of God to disprove the scriptures I have given concerning election, and God leaving sinners in their unregenerate state according to His will.
      I would not recommend any teachings or books from Dave Hunt, this man preaches an accursed gospel, one that claims man has the ability to accept or reject Christ. The bible proves Hunt wrong, for all are dead in sin {Eph. 2:1,5} that includes the will of man {Jeremiah 17:9}. God must first draw and regenerate the sinner before they can come to Christ {see John 6:44, Ezekiel 36: 26, 27}. When we get our teachings from the writings of men, we fall into deception. Following Dave Hunt is just as dangerous as following John Calvin.

      October 20, 2014 at 8:49 AM Reply
  11. Cherie c. #

    I have to agree with Lyn in part. God knows who are His, but that does not mean that the opportunity to repent is only to those who are predestined. The predestined were already selected, and as was said by our Lord Jesus, blessed are those who believe who haven't seen. That is us, who repent, seek the forgiveness of a Holy God, and are then blessed with the Holy Spirit to be able to live a holy life if we listen to what He says through His Word. It is a struggle for me as well to keep self-righteousness at bay, but I do my best. I am a saved sinner who by no means thinks I am better than anyone else, or that I have arrived. I also completely expect to be blasted for my comment, but so be it. Jesus told me to love my neighbor. He did not say what kind of neighbor, just to love whom ever it is. So, since Lyn and I share a planet, I love her and will keep her in my prayers. We are all in some kind of error due to this body of death we live in, but we are of the same mind when it comes to Christ, I hope.

    The day is coming soon when God will take away any opportunity to repent and be forgiven. The book is closing, so to speak, to be able to understand the Word and live a holy life, which is working towards sanctification. No one has yet arrived, and we will continue on this path, God willing, until we are either changed or leave this body of death, and go to be forever with the Lord. Praise and Honor and Glory be to God our Father and His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Peace and love to my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus and even more so as the day draws near.

    your sister in Christ Jesus,
    Cherie c.

    October 19, 2014 at 8:03 PM Reply
    • lyn #

      Repentance is not an opportunity, it is given by God. Here's more scripture for you to study, "When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18. In the Greek, 'granted' means 'give'. It is a verb, spoken of in 3rd person – which means it's referring to a person. It is in the active grammatical voice, meaning the subject is the performer of the action of the verb. What is the subject 'granted' refers to? It cannot be the Gentiles, for they do not perform the action givenWho is performing the action? The subject 'granted' refers to is God. In the Greek grammatical construction of the sentence, 'God' is the masculine noun. The nominative case is always the subject of the sentence {source – http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/nouns1.htm}
      With all that said, it becomes clear that God is the giver of repentance unto men; man does not have the ability to repent apart from God granting it.

      October 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM Reply
      • lyn #

        I must add that 'God' in this verse is in the nominative masculine case, which clarifies my statement that the nominative case is always the subject.

        October 20, 2014 at 10:28 AM Reply
  12. Cherie c. #

    I have to stand with Lyn on the Word of God not condoning sin of any kind, including homosexuality. God's love was to send His Son to die in your place. Not die in your place and then be okay with your sin, our sins. Whether it be homosexuality, or adultery, or fornication, murder, theft, or any other sin, no one will enter into Heaven unless you repent and are forgiven.

    A clue. We are told that we need to be righteous in the sight of God to be saved. Um…we do not have any righteousness because we are in the flesh, but, if we are in the Spirit, walk therein, we are righteous. But only that of another, Jesus. It is His Spirit we walk in. Cool huh?

    The clue, well, that is easy, it is having the Holy Spirit. Only with Him, which is the Spirit of Christ, as well as the Spirit of God, can we enter therein. That is the key, having the Holy Spirit. We must walk in the Spirit which mean relying upon Him for all truth, all instruction, in all we do. Die to self, and live for what God wants. That means being honest about ourselves as the Word describes us; "oh wretched man that I am." I am not ashamed to admit that I need Jesus every second of every minute of every hour of every day. I am only ashamed when I think I don't need Him.

    If we are born with the wrath of God on us, then it is only with Jesus, His Spirit, that God will look past what we are, sinners, and see His Son which is our only righteousness. We have none of our own. So the love of God is that His wrath was poured out on His Son, the only one who could bear it, and by faith in what Jesus did on the cross, repent, be forgiven, and receive the righteousness of His Son in us.

    There is no other way. We can say all the day long to the contrary, or deny all we want, but His truth remains. Our truth, well, that is tainted with pride, self-love, and the need to have people love us. If we laid all that down on the cross Jesus said we should bear, we would not recognize ourselves. In fact, it would be Jesus we would see. I pray that all of us, saved or unsaved, would receive understanding to put all those things that keep us out of the will of God, either it be pride, or an idea that is not in God's Word, on a cross that we (spiritually speaking), that we carry for Him. To deny ourselves so that He can be forever the forefront of us, and we cease to focus on ourselves, but focus on Him. And that even if we get annoyed at one another, we still love each other as the Word commands us to do. Be one mind in Christ.

    Make no mistake, I consider Lyn my sister in Christ Jesus and I will defend her to the death if it every came to that. Even though I do not agree with her on many things. Doubtful disputations aside, please do not attack her, or you will hear from me. Deception is so brilliantly evil, we all have believed a lie before. What looks good is not necessarily right. Keep in mind, that if you, ProudGayChristian, say you are Christian, then why do you go against what the Word of God says? Why does my former best friend of twenty years still live in sin living with her boyfriend? She is not my best friend anymore because she is not comfortable with my faith. At least she was honest. But she is not better of or worse off than you. You both will perish if you do not repent. Everybody loves her she is that kind to all people. But her kindness will not keep her from perishing for eternity. I say this because I was once like you, an unregenerate sinner. Now, by only the Grace of God, I am a saved sinner. Sinner because I would be a liar if I said I do not sin.

    part 1

    October 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM Reply
  13. Cherie c. #

    God loves you ProudGayChristian. He loved you enough to give you and me a way out of our sins and be forgiven. His Son. There are people who told me that I had the right to kill my unborn baby. I did not. Where is it written, since you say you are a Christian, that I have a right to kill? That I had the right to fornicate, which resulted in pregnancy? I was a fornicator before the Lord saved me. To make matters worse, I was "born again" at age 14. I killed my unborn baby at 19. If I was saved at 14, why then did I have an abortion at 19? Being born again puts God's laws in our hearts. Where does it say I didn't sin? Not only was I a fornicator and a murderer, I was a false convert. Which is worse because my behavior shamed the Name of Jesus. So, if fornicator, murderer, false convert makes me a sinner, I guess I wasn't saved even though I said some prayer to "accept Christ into my heart". Nope. Doesn't work that way. That is why dear one, that the Word says that Jesus knows us by our fruit. Obedience is one of the fruits of the Spirit. If I was truly born again, I would not have had an abortion at 19. There would be no way I would.

    So like I begged my former best friend; Repent, PLEASE! Repent, seek forgiveness of a Holy God and become His child who will dwell with Him forever. I was taught that fornication was any sexual activity outside of what the Word of God says is the right place for sex. Marriage between a man and woman. The purpose was to pro-create. Populate the world. We live in an age where we are told that the Bible is not meant for today. That is because people want to live for themselves not for the one who created them. God knew what He was talking about when He had one of His disciples write that people one day would not want to listen to sound doctrine.

    I will be praying for you ProudGayChristian. Oh by the way, God hates pride in people, so off the bat, if you are a Christian you must humble yourself before a Holy God. We, brothers and sisters in Christ must be broken and contrite before a Holy God, everyday. Pride has no place in us. So, based just upon that, if we have Pride, we do not have Him. But as Lavar Burton used to say when he ended every episode of Reading Rainbow, "you don't have to take my word for it". In fact, I invite you to search the Scriptures yourself. God is waiting to share such great truths with all of us. To God be all the Glory and Praise and Honor to His only begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

    your sister in Christ Jesus

    October 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM Reply
    • lyn #

      Cherie, why do you tell an unrepentant sinner God loves them? What does the bible say about those who continue in sin? 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.' John 3:36 God's wrath remains on this person because of their sinful ways. Can you show me, from Scripture, where the disciples or Christ told unrepentant sinners God loves them?

      October 20, 2014 at 9:17 AM Reply
    • lyn #

      Let me remind you of this verse Cherie, "The arrogant shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." Psalm 5:5 Note the definition of hate according to Strong's, ' A primitive root; to hate (personally): – enemy, foe, (be) hate (-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.' Who does God hate? 'all workers of iniquity'. Charles Spurgeon's commentary on this text is chilling, "It is not a little dislike, but a thorough hatred which God bears to workers of iniquity. To be hated of God is an awful thing. O let us be very faithful in warning the wicked around us, for it will be a terrible thing for them to fall into the hands of an angry God!"

      October 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM Reply
  14. Cherie c. #

    Please forgive my error when I wrote the below sentence. As usual I was writing too quickly and left out important words. With the way I wrote the below sentence, you would think I was talking about speaking out against the Word, but I meant to say. speak out against those who twist or not get the context of God's Word.

    Thank you.

    "I do not wish any ill will toward Lyn, but I will continue to speak out against the true Word of God.

    your sister in Christ Jesus

    October 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM Reply
    • lyn #

      Cherie, can you back your accusation that I've twisted God's word with scriptural support? It's easy to accuse, but in so doing you must prove your accusation using scriptural support, and not based on your pre-conceived ideas & viewpoints. Honestly, all you've provided is your opinion along with a reference to a book penned by a man. I challenge you to debate using sola Scriptura.

      October 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM Reply
  15. tonibrown64 #

    We must wholly submit to the scripture- lean NOT to your own understanding, people. Scripture is clear on these issues and we must submit to it whether we fully understand everything or not- that God will give us understanding as he sanctifies us. Time is short.

    Salvation, which starts with repentance, is ALL of God:
    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    Ephesions 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will.

    October 20, 2014 at 9:58 AM Reply
  16. tonibrown64 #

    Again- scripture is so clear.
    Those actively participating in and condoning all sexual immorality, which includes homosexuality while "professing" Christ are self deceived, false converts:
    1 Cor. 6 KJV
    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.
    11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
    15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ?
    18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
    19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
    20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

    October 20, 2014 at 10:11 AM Reply
  17. tonibrown64 #

    Praise God for crystal clear scripture.
    Yes..we are commanded to judge professing believers:

    1 Corinthians 6 KJV
    2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
    4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
    5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

    October 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM Reply

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