Category: Emergent Church

What is Behind the Modern Liberal Curtain?

When you watch a movie with great special effects, what you see looks amazing (Buildings exploding, giant dinosaurs, super heroes flying). But when you look behind the curtain so to speak, and see how computer generated imaging produces these effects, the magic wears off and you realize it is all fantasy and illusion.

Today, we look at the hard core progressive movement in our nation and how it is built on contradiction and illusion, but sadly most Americans never take the time to look at what is actually going on or where we are being led. And this same deceit might just be infecting the very church you attend every Sunday.

John Loeffler of Steel on Steel radio is an authority on the real agenda and thought process of the hardcore Left joins us to help us take a peek behind the curtain of illusion that is modern Liberalism.

Quote from John Loeffler:

“Are we going to be a free society with the rights guaranteed under the Constitution of speech and religion and press and property – all of which have been under siege by judicial activism for the last 50 years – or will we go careening forward into some kind of oligarchic, progressive, socialistic dictatorship that we know from countries around the world that always fails with economic and social collapse?”

We discuss the difference between Left and Liberal, the contradictions within the very thinking of progressives, the long-term effects of the transgender movement and gender-fluid conditioning, and the failure of many churches to stand for the inerrancy of Scripture and biblical morality.

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Swimming in a Cesspool & Thinking We’re Clean

Our nation, not to mention the entire world, is in deeper trouble every passing day. Moral boundaries and clear lines that used to delineate right from wrong have become blurred and minimized; they are now moving targets that have no basis in the consistent moral standards of God’s Word. Instead, in our ill-fated attempts to make this a better world, we impose constantly changing human standards on society and individuals: standards that change from year to year ushering confusion and intellectual paralysis.

And in the midst of this increasingly confused and evil world are a group of people called born-again Christians. And these peculiar people are forced to live in a world that contradicts everything they know and believe. We are to love others around us but not love what this world stands for.

Dave Wager of Nicolet Bible Institute and Silver Birch Ranch joins us to discuss how true Christians navigate life in a world that opposes God more with each passing year.

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Listener’s Show: Your Comments and Questions

Here are some of the topics addressed today and questions our listeners asked:

Could you please expand the discussion a little more on the Parable of the Sower/Seed mentioned last week?
What does the expression, “the issue is never the issue” mean?
Not sure I agree this nation is trending conservative than it appears in culture and politics
How can any Democrat Christian continue to vote for their party after the disgusting display in the Senate hearings on Justice Brett Kavanaugh?
It’s hard to believe Bill Hybels and Willow Creek Church promoted hyper-progressives such as Corey Booker as examples of good leadership.
Please elaborate on yesterday’s discussion about the agreement between the Vatican and Communist China, and is this where the Christian Church in America could be headed?
I think the Roman Catholic Church will be joined by the Protestant and Evangelical churches coming together under the guise of “unity” to form the one-world religion that will support Anti-Christ.
Why are the books of Maccabees in the Catholic Bible but not in the Protestant Bible?
What on earth is with the Burning Man festival about other than a mix of New Age, humanism, environmentalism, occult, and a blending of a few other religions?
With America’s foundations of God, truth, creation, and the Constitution crumbling, it is no wonder young people want nothing to do with today’s splintered Christian church.

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The War on Truth, Facts and Reason

Truth only comes from God because He knows all things past, present and future, and according to His Word He is incapable of lying.  And if our pursuit of truth has any genesis but God we can easily be deceived.  Today we cover three stories about how facts, reality, and truth is being subjected to man’s opinions and agenda.

We look at the agenda behind the last minute attacks by liberals on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, reiterating our ongoing concerns about movements like “MeToo” being taken too far and used as political weapons to silence opponents of the Liberal Movement.

Then we turn our attention to the professing Christian Church in America, where it seems truth is becoming a more frequent casualty of eloquent, ear-ticking mega-church pastors with their own agenda.  In his apparent quest to create doubt about God’s Word, you will never guess the next attack on the Old Testament being engineered by Andy Stanley.  It seems Stanley is leading to rewriting the gospel to say something like “Jesus loves you and you are going to heaven so forget about anything God said in the Old Testament…Jesus replaced all the laws.”

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Questions and Comments from Listeners

Rather than list many of the questions and comments this week, let’s sum them up this way:

Comments and questions discussed on today’s podcast include an overwhelming response to the current Willow Creek Church/Bill Hybels scandal. Over all listeners who sent in questions or comments on the issue, over 90% are opposed to the Willow Creek Association and Global Leadership Summit, and many have addressed their concerns with their pastor.

Some have already left their churches if it continued to be a part of the Willow Creek Association, while others plan to ask their pastor about it to see how they justify partnering with an organization having so many unbiblical approaches and teachings. In our experience, when confronted about WC, most church leaders double down and refuse to acknowledge the problems.

A few listeners mentioned politics and the fiasco the Senate hearings have become regarding Supreme Court nominee, Bret Kavanaugh. Someone also brought up the difference between being a Christian and a conservative which are often used interchangeably. 

Another Christian couple wants to know how to strike a healthy, biblical balance in the home as campaign season is already upon us. One spouse is more active politically wanting to be salt and light in culture and the other just wants to pray and vote as God leads without getting immersed or frustrated with the political process.

The others we had time for today mentioned the importance of believers knowing and appreciating the Old Testament. Also, a new believer who asked about the parable of the Sower in Mark chapter 4 and does it refute the “once saved always saved” doctrine. 

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The Real Cause Behind the Crisis at Willow Creek

When you are suffering from the flu, feverish with a soar throat and body aches, are these symptoms the cause of the flu or are they the effects of the flu? They are of course the effects of a virus (the true cause) that has invaded your body leading to physical illness and mild suffering. When you treat the cause you get to the root of the problem; but treating effects will not lead to a cure.

Why bring this up? It’s a key to understanding the latest crisis at Willow Creek Church. The sexual assault scandal involving former Pastor Bill Hybels and several women has led to the Elder Board announcing their resignation. A consulting team has been brought in for damage control and a reorganization plan—you know just like secular businesses and corporations do when facing an internal or PR crisis. But is the sexual scandal the cause of Willow Creek’s crisis or the effects? The fallout is an effect – and in segment 2 we will address the true cause.

In the first segment, Mike and David talk with Carl Teichrib about his upcoming book, “Game of Gods” where he did boots on the ground’ research at Burning Man festival. Carl documents the strange, popular movement combining earth worship, pagan rituals, anarchy and spiritual oneness—all under the guise of “radical tolerance.” And while it might be easy to dismiss what you will hear by calling 80,000 followers goofy nuts, could it be part of Satan’s master plan for the world to worship Anti-Christ?

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The Prayer of a Red Letter Christian

Have you ever wondered how members of the “Red Letter Christians” pray when they gather together? How do you pray to God when you believe He cares more about social justice and immigration than he does the eternal souls of men? This morning, Mike and David will share the opening prayers cited at the Red Letter Christian “Lynchburg Revival.” See if you can spot anything missing.

Mike and David will also discuss the danger of the #MeToo Movement combining with politics and activism. Abortion is just one of the hot-button issues and the Left thinks nothing of destroying its opponents just to make sure they can go on eliminating the lives of innocent children in the womb.

In our first segment, Don Veinot of Midwest Christian Outreach joins the program as he prepares to attend the Parliament of World Religions in Canada in November.

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Comments Discussed, Questions Answered

Today we answer the questions and read the comments from you our listeners. We discuss the sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church, the crisis at Willow Creek, and what does unity in the body of Christ really look like?

Here are the topics our listeners want to cover today:

Are you concerned about Hillsong and others that put out some decent music but have some very questionable theological statements and positions.

Where do you draw the line between worship and entertainment. Even Christian music and the church has been compromised lyrically. Is this a result of record labels in Nashville and also wanting to be like the world?

Why do most Catholics seem more loyal to that Church than they do the Word of God?

Is seems the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church is already quite vast as is the cover-up by church leaders, but since over 80% of young abuse victims are boys, the systemic problem seems to be homosexuality. Because of this, the media will not report the whole truth so do you think there will be true repentance and change in the RCC?

My friend thinks you guys are dividing the church instead of uniting Christians over issues of morality and doctrine. I think you guys have said it is wrong to elevate unity as more important than doctrine and truth.

Thank you for the show about public school teaching evolution as fact and how to equip our children with truth, Scripture, and science that affirms Scripture.

What are issues to divide or break fellowship over (within the Christian church) and which are ones we can respectfully agree to disagree on?

When we question the faith of fellow believers, aren’t we judging them? Doesn’t the Bible tell us not to judge?

You can connect with us a couple ways: email your questions and comments to comments@standupforthetruth.com; or text the key word “speak up” to 90100.

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Where is the American Church Headed?

The Church of Jesus Christ is called to be light and salt to a dying world. We should be influencing culture by living out the truths in Scripture and sharing the gospel and the eternal truth of God’s Word. But instead of influencing secular culture we are seeing secular culture influence the church. This leads many to compromise and conform to the world. On the other hand, sincere missionaries through the years have gone to other nations with the true gospel, but now we have been responsible for exporting things like Word Faith theology and other false gospels.

Elijah Abraham, a former Muslim and now born-again believer joins us this morning to give us some insight on his recent trip to Africa. We look at how the American version of Christianity is becoming more seeker sensitive and how America, once known for biblical discipleship, is now consumed with comfort, leisure, wealth (compared to the world), and luxury – all things that lead us to love this world while losing our focus on eternal things.

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As the Battle Rages, Many Christians Opt Out

We are in a battle, but how can we successfully fight when half of the army refuses to engage? As Christians, we are soldiers of Christ and the warfare in this life is very real and yet, so many believers don’t want to acknowledge the reality of this fight. John R. W. Stott once said:

“We should not ask, ‘What is wrong with the world?’ for that diagnosis has already been given. Rather, we should ask, ‘Where is the salt and light? Where is the Church? Why are the salt and light of Jesus Christ not permeating and changing our society?’”

From the family to the church to the community and culture, Christians have been too preoccupied with earthly, temporary concerns than seeking first the kingdom of God. I realize this seems like a broad statement, but don’t you think America would look very different if true believers had been vocal and actively engaged in advancing the gospel over the last hundred years?

Today’s guest is Julaine Appling of Wisconsin Family Council. We discuss everything from our local and state government to the transgender agenda which now includes Drag Queen story hours in our local libraries!

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Hitch Your Faith to the Reliability of the Scriptures

One of the problems with the American church today is a lack of solid foundation built on the Scriptures and on Christ alone. Research from Barna, Pew, and others have backed up the fact that one of our biggest problems is biblical illiteracy. There are many reasons for this including our love of entertainment, but watered-down teachings are certainly a factor as well as the infestation of the cult of liberalism within modern Christianity.

One thing we seem to have lost is our love for the truth of God’s Word, for spiritual things, for Israel, and particularly for the Old Testament. With many mega-church pastors preaching seeker-sensitive sermons and some ignoring or even criticizing the Old Testament, it’s easy to understand part of the reason we are where we are today. We now live in a country where culture has more influence on the church than the church does on culture.

THIS MUST CHANGE. But how? Let’s start by looking at the evidence from archeology, history, prophecy, and by reinforcing the inspiration and reliability of the Bible.

Our guest today is pastor and teacher, John Haller.

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Listener Comments & Questions

Here are some of today’s Listener questions/comments:

How long will we in America elevate man’s teachings over God’s Word?
Those who don’t know Scripture well end up following people like Andy Stanley
Are some pastors really keeping their followers ignorant of deeper things of God’s word?
My husband and I are struggling with our church of 11 years whose leadership is committed to Bill Hybels and the Willow Creek Assoc. We’re divided on whether or not to leave. Any advice?
Catholics are hurting over the priests sexually abusing children, and many are hurting. This may be an opportunity to reach them with the true gospel.
The Roman Catholic Church’s extensive history of abuse, coverup, and hypocrisy.
Does social media play into anorexia and bulimia?
It is idiotic to want plastic surgery in order to look better in your selfies. What causes this warped thought process?
Can you explain the difference between a fornicator and an adulterer, in other words is lusting in the heart truly considered adultery?
There is a huge difference between “bashing the church” and confronting and exposing error.
Can you clarify Paul’s teaching in Romans 13 about submitting to governing authorities?
For those who say division is always wrong, how about the Reformation?
I’m a former Catholic and used to trust the church (institution) over God’s Word. Any advice on how to engage Catholics in discussions about Scripture and true doctrine?

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Questions, Comments, and a Call from Angry Listener

It’s Friday. There are always so many good questions and comments to get to, so her we go.

My daughter is 16 and wants nothing to do with church anymore, even though we raised her in church, the word, and prayer at home. She claims Christians are hypocrites and I fear she will be lost when she goes off to college.
I hear more Scripture in one hour on your show than I hear in a month coming from our pastor on Sundays.
Other than in Christ, is there any hope for our children and grandchildren to have a good life in such a dark culture driven by a godless, postmodern education system?
I am a “classical liberal” (not modern) but the primary reasons I vote for Republicans is they are pro-life and support free market capitalism.
Over the last several decades, we have been informed of how anti-Christian the progressive public schools are and that our children are being indoctrinated. Why is this not a bigger issue that Christians still send their children to such a hostile environment to be “educated”?
I am disappointed by your statements regarding the Ford/Kavanaugh allegations. You assume Kavanaugh is innocent, I believe Dr. Ford. Three people know the truth: Ford, Kavanaugh, and God.
The left doesn’t even know what “civil” means anymore. Their fruit is the opposite of truth: double-speak, hypocrisy, and often, outright lies.
I am a Christian and have supported the Democrat Party all my life, but cannot do so any longer. They are willing to destroy people to gain power. I was also supporting the killing of innocent children through abortion.
The #MeToo movement is causing many parents to be concerned for their sons in the future. We should raise sons of high moral character and integrity, but what about our daughters? They will be affected by this one-sided movement as well but I believe this should be a two-sided conversation in our society.
From that Barna survey you read, it sounds like many “professing born-again Christians’ are false converts that trusted an empty gospel of life enhancement.
I wish we would rethink denominations within Christianity. They seem to divide and do more damage than good, and often produce “fake Christians” – and impediment to true Christianity.

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The Growing Complexity of Freedom of Speech

The constitutionally protected right of freedom of speech and expression used to be a pretty straight forward issue. But with the advent of social media, corporate “branding”, and a society that is easily offended it has become a much more complex issue.

This morning we look at a couple stories that point out the new reality facing us in a society that claims to value freedom of speech but is becoming increasingly intolerant of any view that opposes a humanistic, God-hating agenda.

In our first segment Jay Seegert of The Starting Point Project joins us to discuss the challenges we as believers face in sharing the gospel with people currently blinded to the truth about God. Jay will discuss a common question we hear from people who doubt God’s existence: “If God created the universe, who crated God?”

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What is Behind the Modern Liberal Curtain?

When you watch a movie with great special effects, what you see looks amazing (Buildings exploding, giant dinosaurs, super heroes flying). But when you look behind the curtain so to speak, and see how computer generated imaging produces these effects, the magic wears off and you realize it is all fantasy and illusion.

Today, we look at the hard core progressive movement in our nation and how it is built on contradiction and illusion, but sadly most Americans never take the time to look at what is actually going on or where we are being led. And this same deceit might just be infecting the very church you attend every Sunday.

John Loeffler of Steel on Steel radio is an authority on the real agenda and thought process of the hardcore Left joins us to help us take a peek behind the curtain of illusion that is modern Liberalism.

Quote from John Loeffler:

“Are we going to be a free society with the rights guaranteed under the Constitution of speech and religion and press and property – all of which have been under siege by judicial activism for the last 50 years – or will we go careening forward into some kind of oligarchic, progressive, socialistic dictatorship that we know from countries around the world that always fails with economic and social collapse?”

We discuss the difference between Left and Liberal, the contradictions within the very thinking of progressives, the long-term effects of the transgender movement and gender-fluid conditioning, and the failure of many churches to stand for the inerrancy of Scripture and biblical morality.

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No Comment or Question Off Limits

So many controversial issues and debates, so little time! Here’s what listeners want to discuss today:

To what level can a Christian be depressed?
How much does our faith play into our emotional and mental health, and how much depends on trusting God?
I know spiritual warfare is real because we are warned many times about it in the New Testament, but to what extent can demons influence Christians?
My strong hunch is that a majority of Americans have bought the lies about Justice Kavanaugh because they no longer think logically.
What do you think the greater problem in most churches is – ignorance in the pulpit or cowardice?
Didn’t know how extensive the Burning Man movement has become. It seems like a combination of New Age, humanism, environmentalism, and a combo of religions: can you please boil this ideology down so it’s easier to understand?
With all the division and spiritual confusion in the church, it’s no wonder many young people want nothing to do with Christianity today.
I’m a newer Christian, could you please explain Replacement Theology? Is it a salvation issue?
Hillsong’s stance on issues such as evolution, homosexuality, and seeker-friendly movement are concerning to the Australian Council of Churches. Hillsong produced some wonderful music, but as a whole they seem to have exchanged traditional, historical Christian doctrines to seek fame and fortune.
I’m a former Catholic and know some good Roman Catholic friends, even though many of their Church doctrines are unbiblical: can a Catholic go to heaven or not?

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